Women: Truth and authenticity

Rollo Tomassi (from SoSuave.net, the DJ forums) comments on the truth factor of the social game between men and women.

If any guys ever feel guilty for lying or embelising then they need to read this and re-figure the "facade" that women put up as well and not have to have moral bindings in that respect.

We're all as 'authentic' as our conditions permit.

Is a woman who spends an hour on her make up 'authentic'? Is the woman with a wonder bra on being genuine? How about a woman with implants, Ms. Clairol hair, who tans at the salon?

It's easy for guys to take some moral high-ground in this respect, but we'd still get a hard-on if we saw her in a club or in a bikini at the beach.

Do we really even want authenticity?
We sell them a fantasy, they sell us a fantasy.

If anything men are the more honest in all of it since our stories have to stand up to scrutiny -

We're socialized to expect and accept that women are to be more than they are, and when they let down their hair, it's "the inside that counts, right?"

Men have to back up their story with action and proof in the long term - women can get away with letting their roots show.

And what's authentic anyway?

What was 'real' for me at 28 isn't who I am at 38 - hell, even 32. Personality isn't static, we change it as our conditions warrant.

How Are Your Fundamentals? - Woodhaven

A post on fundamentals by Woodhaven.

Date Posted: 2005/09/27 10:33:00 PM EDT
Author: Woodhaven
Subject: How Are Your Fundamentals?

Hey guys.

This discussion board is a great place, I've learned most everything I know here. It's nice to be back. ;)

I see a lot of new guys here, that's cool.

I also see a lot of 'discussion in the clouds'.

I also see this in our programs. People who think they're advanced, but not. "Shit. I've been reading ASF for 3 years now, I'm advanced!"

...But with no field experience, no fundamentals, and no patience to learn the critical elements that could DRAMATICALLY improve their results.

It's a tremendous blow to the ego, I understand, guys. But if you want to get good, you have to pay your dues.

I see so many guys who want to build a skyscraper of advanced routines, without the necessary fundamentals. They want to build their skyscraper on a mountain of fluff!

They are too attached to their ego and current identity to make real progress.

Drop your ego, guys. It's great that you want to be this great pick up artist overnight, and if you ask me I can tell you all the advanced concepts in the world, all the lines and routines Dimitri and I actually say to our girls...

But slow down. Get disciplined, be patient and take it easy. Put your faith in us and drop the act. I can turn you into a superstar if you're willing to take a good look at yourself and do the work.

I won't promise you the the world overnight. It's real easy to overhype this type of thing. That just makes people unhappy though...

There are many guys on here living in the illusion that they are a 'PUA'. "Cool, I know all these great techniques and routines. I'm a 'Pick up Artist'".

Enjoy living your fantasy. Keep telling yourself that, we're real proud of you!

But if you lack field-tested fundamentals, and you crave nothing but more and more 'advanced techniques'...


Then I hate to break it to you, but YOU'RE NOT ADVANCED.

No one, not even the best guys I've met, are above the fundamentals. They have them internalized, for sure, but are not above them.

Meeting Mystery and Sin this summer was eye opening - to say the least! Not because their game is 'indirect' and a completely different style... blah blah blah

It was eye opening because of what we shared in COMMON. That's what floored me. Seeing the exact same fundamentals. The only difference was the icing on the cake!

Critical fundamentals many guys are lacking:

Spontaneity, and having your 'filler' actions congruent with the level of
techniques you are using.

Persistence, and the ability to stay in set, holding firmly an assumption of
attraction. Lack of attachment and fear.

Having relaxed and calm bodylanguage / facial expressions, as opposed to
overly fake and insincere movements. Standing up straight, and not trying too
hard to control or animate your bodylanguage.

Holding eye contact, projecting a tonality that is loud and crisp.

Situational relevance, and knowing when to introduce certain topics of conversation or routines.

Rewarding good behavior, punishing bad behavior.

And finally: a desire to keep learning and make progress as a continual
student of the game.

Woodhaven