Equipment: Digital Voice Recorders for Sarge Analyses - Some options, reviews, discussions on mASF
Here is a thread on mASF about the possible set of Digital Voice Recording devices that some people have tried etc.
Voice recorder MP3 reference reviews (long) by Choumoux from the Paris Lair.
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from: Choumoux choumouxpua@yahoo.fr
(first login: July, 07, 2004 01:29 PM)
date: Saturday, June 04, 2005 06:27 PM
(Complete reference compiled for stuff (10+) posted on FS about DEVICES to record sarges... plus a few tricks here and there... please do not quote this entire fucking post if you give an answer... keep it readable, thanks.)
Hey, I want to record future sarges... I made an extensive search on this board and found good ideas that i've checked out. I put all the references here, it'll serve someone hopefully. I haven't found the answer to an existential question though:
can one get *reasonable" (=audible) quality using a MP3 USB KEY-type device???
I don't want to spend a fortune on a little fucker that could slip out of my pocket
or land in the toilets some night. 50euro to 70euro would be a good range of price.
But maybe a MP3 USB KEY records shitty sound...
I'd also like one that doesn't require a Phd in sound FX to get the file onmy pc and a rechargeable one would be very nice, please, Santa... Pleeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaze!!!!
Any advice (based on your personal experience, please)?
Any reaction on the stuff below (i.e. suggestions collected on FS)?
(nb: i won't buy a mini disc, i just put it here for reference. Anyone got stuff by Creative, like Muvo or that kinda stuff?)
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PDA
Dell Axim X3i (video but expensive 200euro) It's really good for audio recording, I haven't tried using it in clubs though, so I'm not sure how the quality would be.-----------------------------------------
minidisc recorder
(excellent sound quality but expensive - bulky - not convenient to use - mini cds get screwed often in my experience)
hi-md recorder (sony mz-nh1, can record 45 hrs of voice at 48k on 1 gig disk). expensive, however I use it for a lot of things
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Ipod
cheap Flash IPod (A.K. uses an ipod which can hold shit loads of audio on it)
Does that stuff only record ambient sound?
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PDA sony clie
video: quality reasonable, you can record very secretly and it runs with my 256mb card appx one hour
Sony digital recorders have a huge rep. But are so fucking expensive...Not an option i guess...
:o(
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Olympus VN-240PC
It's small to comfortably fit in a shirt pocket
Records up to 4 hours Long Play - a whole night out
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USB KEY
128mo to 1go - cheap - between 40 and 80 euro....BUT what about sound quality????
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Medion € 79.99 490 MB.
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I suggest you to buy 1GB or at least 510 MB. Cause when you place some good collection of MP3s you will have very little place for voice recording.
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Zire 72 PDA with a speaker on the back, with digital camera, recorder, video camera, and organizer all in one.
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Steviepua:
Ideally I am looking for something small, like a keystick, rechargeable batteries and with 256MB-1GB memory I bought a new mp3 player/recorder.
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It is a Creative MuVo 1GB. It is really small, has line in for direct mp3 encoding (a hidden mic can be used), built in mic, radio. I am really happy with it. The link below has a picture of it (mine is white though).
http://www.creative.com/products/product.asp?category=213&subcategory=215&product=10737
Here is the white version
Image Link
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I have an Iriver ifp-595t.
It's very small. The internal mic. is very sensitive. It even picks up conversation while it's in my jeans pocket. It has very good battery life(15hrs+) and can record for many many hours. The great thing is that it has Voice Auto Detection, and it can also smooth the peaks wich makes a HUGE difference. It records in MP3, but the files are named .REC, Easy to upload and rename to .MP3. I can highly recommend it, it's top quality in every aspect. Magnesium case, lot's of features/settings etc etc. Before this one I had a Ripflash DX but the Iriver is so much better. I can't believe Stevie PUA is still using a bulky Archos harddisk recorder :) Oh and bye the way, an MP3 player is normal to have with you. But what will people say when you carry a voicerecorder, or, even worse, you have spy microphones and mini-amplifiers taped to your body haha.
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Steviepua:
I don't use hidden mics or wires anymore since I figured out how to use the internal mic on the Archos properly. I now typically just have it inside a jacket chest pocket, or in a bag with a chest pocket. Yeah it is a little bulky compared to other mp3 recorders out there but the great thing about it is it has a 10GB memory.
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Steviepua:
The quality is good and the big memory means I can just switch on and forget about it. The downside is having to process and edit a long, long file though! That is the price of making long recordings. I suppose I could start a new file every time I use the bathroom. That would make it easier to process the files at home.
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I would highly recommend the IRiver brand devices.
comes with:
mp3 player
voice recorder
FM Radio tuner
Also, they changed some of the new models to not include a microphone input. The inner parts are the same, but they've started making them without the microphone jack. Both versions have a built in microphone which provides great recording quality.
I lost mine though and was strapped for cash, so I purchased a Circuit City no name house brand device with the same features as the above, only it didn't have a mic jack.
One thing I like about the IRiver brand recorders is that it lets you make alot of adjustments to your recording quality like bit rate, and other stuff, whereas this new one I bought from circuit city just gives you high, medium, and low settings. Both units, i hear, contain the same electronic guts, just different software.
Both units are small, and have a little loop so you can wear it around your neck. You can record far more amount of audio with these, and of better quality, than if you purchased a plain voice recorder for equivalent price.
Did I mention that the sound quality is great (better though, on the IRiver unit) Plus, it's an mp3 player, you can wear it on your neck and keep the headphones plugged in, tell chicks it's an mp3 player. Lot's of chicks will ask about it, makes good opener material. Just have that record feature on and go from there and record a day's worth of sarges.
Uploading is easy with the usb cable.
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?id=1051806328372&skuId=5446975&type=product
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27yo - PUA in training - KJ tendencies
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Some extensive replies and reviews in response to his post.
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topic: Voice recorder MP3 reference reviews long (2 of 8), Read 299 times
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from: Ay
(first login: January, 12, 2005 04:17 AM)
date: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 03:09 AM
Funny you mention, I sell those USB key mp3 players on eBay and I was gonna use that one to record myself, but IMO most of them have interfaces where you have to look at the screen to set up voice recording. Like you have to navigate through menus and shit. I want to find one that'll record with a push of a single button.
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from: Choumoux choumouxpua@yahoo.fr
(first login: July, 07, 2004 01:29 PM)
date: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 10:00 AM
Ah, ok. Thanks for the info. I'll probably not buy a USB KEY type.
I've read reviews about the Creative MuVo recorder (cf Steviepua). A bit more expensive that what i wanted... but i guess it's the best compromise... So i'll probably buy one that's 512Mo...( the 1Go is tempting but i'm broke).
Dunno if the mike's built in, or/and if there's a line in (jack) for an external mike. I'm also worried about proprietary formats... I'd rather get the file directly as a .mp3 or .wav...
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from: stevie_pua stevie_pua@yahoo.co.uk
(first login: February, 21, 2002 09:08 AM)
date: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 07:13 PM
I am now using the Creative N200 Micro. It is small and records in .wav format (at a low bitrate). It has a 1GB memory, though 512k memories are available. I paid £109 for it (about $150). It has a built in mic. It is really small ... smaller than a matchbox. It also has line in for an external mic.
It comes with an arm band. This is of benefit to the PUA. With my earlier audio recorder (Archos Jukebox Recorder 10GB) I hid it from people. However, with the new small Creative recorder you can use the arm band and don't need to hide the machine. You just tell people it is your mp3 player/music player. They have no idea it is also recording them. There really is no need to hide it in most circumstances (unless, for example you are in a formal situation where wearing a mp3 player would be frowned upon). For most situations - street, shops, bars, even clubs it is acceptable, and even cool, to be seen with a machine this size. It may work to peacock you in some instances.
The quality of recording on the Creative is not as good as the Archos. The Archos was exceptionally good quality-wise, but you paid for this by the bulky size of the machine. The Creative's audio quality for recording voice via the inbuilt mic is FINE. The machine even comes with software to turn almost any media format into any other. You record in .wav and can turn it into .mp3, .wma and many other formats and bitrates quickly. Sometimes I process my audio in Soundforge to make it even better.
The Creative N200 is a good machine for recording PU, and I recommend it. Its advantages are a TINY size, BIG memory, innocuous and camaflaguing arm band. It can record for hours (even over a day, perhaps, on an empty 1GB memory - certainly enough to switch it on at the start of the night and turn off recording hours later).
Any questions, drop me a message here.
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Underdogs come from behind
Assassins do it from behind
Bakers do it for the dough
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Stevie PUA
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from: Choumoux choumouxpua@yahoo.fr
(first login: July, 07, 2004 01:29 PM)
date: Thursday, June 09, 2005 08:51 AM
On 6/8/05 7:13:00 PM, stevie_pua wrote:
Wow, thanks for all the details man. I appreciate that.
I'll opt for the MuVo 1Go or 512Mo indeed. I take your word that recording quality is fine.
*Sigh of relief*
(I have mixed feelings about MD recorders, as my bro had one, and discs would flinch one after the other and this message would appear: "UTOC error"). But i know the sound is excellent with MD... a compromise to make i guess.)
I'll post about it too, when i get to test it myself.
I think i can get a pack with a plastic (what's the name...holster?) with necklace thing to carry it, as that'd be a more secure/discrete way to wear the thing. Cause after checking the picture, i noticed no device to attach the necklace... Although clothing rubbing against it may be an issue... I don't like so much the idea of the arm band thing...
Good thing I didn't buy a USB key, based on the critics here!
Thanks for all the input guys. Too bad I'm in a hurry, we could have bought in bulk if others are interested...and brought the price down a bit...
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>I am now using the Creative N200 Micro.
>.wav format /£109/$150/130EUR
>It may work to peacock you in some instances.
>The Creative's audio quality for recording voice
>Sometimes I process my audio in Soundforge to make it>even better.
>The Creative N200 is a good machine for recording PU, and
>I recommend it. Its advantages are a TINY size, BIGmemory,
>innocuous and camaflaguing arm
>band.
>http://pua.zap.to
>>(EDIT)
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from: stevie_pua stevie_pua@yahoo.co.uk
(first login: February, 21, 2002 09:08 AM)
date: Thursday, June 09, 2005 12:20 PM
The recording quality if fine for outside, though if you are recording in a loud club, I think few recorders are much good. My Creative N200 came with a holster which can clip into a belt. Also, if you use the recorder without the holster and without the headphones attached, you can easily hide it in a shirt front pocket and no one will see it.
If the inbuilt mic quality is not good enough for you (e.g. if you want to have a higher bitrate) you can attach a mic to the line in socket and use an external mic (need to get a connecting adaptor for the mic to join with the cable that comes with the Creative, though). Then you can record at 96/128/160 bitrate.
I haven't tried many machines, so there are bound to be other machines as good or better ... just a matter of people testing them and recommending them.
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Assassins do it from behind
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from: rp_5150 rp_5150@yahoo.com
(first login: May, 02, 2004 08:16 PM)
date: Thursday, June 09, 2005 01:09 AM
On 6/4/05 6:27:00 PM, Choumoux wrote:
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The usb mini-recorders are CRAP, imho.
Some guys with these couldnt record good audio from
a business meeting in a conference room with me talking 10
feet away. I even put it in my shirt pocket, and it didnt
pick up my voice well. I cant imagine these being useful
in a sarge-environment at ALL (i.e. typical street, mall,
bar, or loud club).
However.
I use a Sony Hi-MD recorder with self made
microphones. It has auto-gain control.
I am able to clearly hear convo of my sets on a club
dance floor when I put it in a shirt pocket (LOUD music
but convo picked up fine - wow).
When I put it in my front pocket of my jeans, I can get
good audio in a typical bar (with jukebox playing).
When I carry it around in my hand (in a leather case) I
get great audio also - on street, in bar, etc.
The file I had on puamedia was recorded that way.
This was on the 64kpbs setting (allows about 40 hours of
recorded audio per disc). I was holding it in my hand.
The hi-md decks connect to PC via USB for upload/download
and can convert to mp3 on the PC later.
It is expensive but I use it for other purposes
too (business, school, and bootlegging live bands -
it can record in cd quality 44.1k PCM - fucking sweet.)
Plus the audio quality for listening to music is
killer so it makes a great walkman.
-- robert1
""""
toecutter: Beat that fear. Be a man. Beat your chest a little bit, because most
people are slave to their fears. You conquer yours. Most guys will conquer it
in context (like bungy jumping), but lets see those parachuting AFCs handling
walking into a club ALONE and SOBER and APPROACHING a girl they don't know. Or
worse ... a group of girls.
""""
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from: Ay
(first login: January, 12, 2005 04:17 AM)
date: Friday, June 10, 2005 01:03 PM
One thing about USB key things is that they record straight to mp3. Actually they record WAV, but with mp3 bitrates, so it's the same size and quality, only different extension. I haven't tested any of them to record sarges, but I would imagine the quality has to be pretty low especially with an internal mic. Setting it up is a pain in the ass as well, unless you have the combo in which to press the buttons memorized.
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Hmm... now the question is which one(s) should I buy and try?
posted by xmlenigma at 11:10 PM
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