TT: Online Methods & Techniques

This is a 'modified style' technique used online by JetSetJim.

My Online Method (modified Style Online Method)
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from: jetsetjim jimchayvo@hotmail.com
(first login: January, 04, 2005 05:31 AM)
date: Thursday, June 23, 2005 11:53 AM

I have tried Styles online method pretty much as he posted it, with decent results, however I have come up with a profile that seems to work as well or better.

Some women (especially in E. Europe, where I am) are REALLY put off by the cocky/arrogant "I am a bad boy" attitude. I have tried to find a mix that appeals both to the women who are tired of arrogant assholes, as well as to the women who want the bad boy-caveman.

Keeping in mind that I am basically a 5 on the hotornot site (5'10/179, 280lbs/120), I have been able to set up 4 day1's out of about 30 replies, out of about 300 messages sent. That may not seem like a great success rate, but for me it is far better than any other online method I've tried.

Anyway...the profile I am using is basically David Shades answer to the question about What Women Want from Cliffs list:

"Ultimately what most women want is to be in an exciting relationship with a man that she is wildly crazy about.

There are four things that must be true in order for her to feel that.

First, she needs to feel appreciated for the unique individual that she is. She needs to feel special, unlike any other woman. And she needs to know that her man supports her in her endeavors.

Second, she needs to feel that deep intimate emotional connection. She needs to have that emotional intimacy with her man.

Third, she needs to feel like a woman. She needs to feel beautiful, sexy, and feminine. She needs to enjoy all those things that come with being a woman, and those things come to light when she's with an exciting man.

And finally, she needs hot passionate sex. She needs to be seduced, enticed, teased, and satisfied, over and over again. She needs to experience new things, in new ways, including fantasies and roles. It makes her feel alive.

And these four things can only be true for her when she is with a man that she can trust, and most importantly, that she has respect for. Respect is utmost."

I like this because it lets them know that if they meet me, they are going to get fucked, and fucked good.

The message I send (I rarely get a message from a woman) is as follows:
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Subject: It's me, the next big thing in your life

So there is a cowboy sitting in a bar having a drink..... A woman comes in, sits down next to him and say, "Hi. Tell me, are you a REAL cowboy?"

The cowboy thinks about it for a minute, then says "Well, I have a lot of cows, I live on a big ranch, I ride a horse..... "Yeah, I guess I am a real cowboy."

The woman says, "Well, I'm a lesbian. I love women, I am constantly thinking about them, about their skin, their hair, their bodies. I am obsessed with women."

After a while she leaves and another guy comes in and sits down next to the cowboy. He says, "So, tell me, are you a REAL cowboy?" The cowboy thinks about it for a minute.... ... then says, "Well...I thought I was...but now I think I'm a lesbian."


.......Made you laugh, didn't I? Well, maybe I'd be interested in you. Send me your phone number and lets chat.

Ciao!
Jim
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I used to write "send me three things about yourself I might like."
The problem with this was it beat around the bush too much. There are a million women out there who will banter back and forth with you online, wasting your time, asking stupid fucking questions and trying to qualify you...and they will NEVER give your their digits.

The vast majority of women like the joke. Usual comment is "most men are lesbians!" and "I think I'm a gay guy!" and unless they are the type mentioned above who are never going to meet someone, they pony up the digits. I think the reason this works, is because (this from the many women I have asked) the VAST majority of messages they get are SOOOO lame. They are either incredibly boring. "Hi I am x'xx tall xxx weight, lets meet." or "You are SOOO beautiful. I am SOOO rich. Lets meet" or they are wannafuck messages.

Style points out that the phone game is key. I agree. I wait between 24 and 48 hours and give them a call. Some C&F and set up the day1.

From there on out, it's all about your game. I have not had much luck f-closing, and then I went back and reread Styles original post. I think I was working too hard to be interesting, whereas Style advocates keeping your distance and gradually let her feel she is winning you over, along with some push-pull tactics. This is the weakest part of my game. I was trying to win her over...when it should be the other way around.

Since I started using the direct "send me your number and lets chat" I snagged an 18 year old (I'm 33) HB8+ who called me back the day after we initially spoke. I used to avoid the 18-20 crowd, but now...if it's legal, it's fair game.

Jim

Styles Original Online Method is posted here.

Date Posted: 2002/05/29 07:09:00 AM EDT
Author: Style
Subject: Online Personals Photo Idea/Question

Never experimented with online sarging and personals, really, and
trying it now. Here's the question:

1. Send HB a picture of myself alone.
2. Send HB a picture of me with other HBs, and say it's the only photo
I have scanned.

Has anyone tried option 2? Logically, it seems like a good idea
because:
A. It's social proof and
B. It shows you're not the typical online loser who can't handle
himself around women.

For what it's worth, in my letters, I'm mixing the standard SS letter
with my own version of cocky/funny challenging ("You sound like you
may be more than just another pretty face. I need someone sharp-witted
too, who likes a little verbal sparring, because I'm a total
smart-ass. Grew up with too many girls in the house.")

CPowles
Any thoughts appreciated. This is a new world to me.

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Date Posted: 2002/05/31 05:54:00 AM EDT
Author: Style
Subject: Re: Online Personals Photo Idea/Question

All great advice: Thanks!

For the record, I ended up combining a bunch of ideas here. I took a
photo of myself in a group. I cropped the rest of the group, so you
can see mostly just me, but you can tell that there are other HBs in
the image. This way, it looks like a fun, party shot--not like I just
cropped out an ex-girlfriend and am looking for a replacement. It
gives me social proof, without raising questions about "who's that in
the picture with you?"

Then, I took Tzeen's advice and turned it b-and-w and added some
shadows. It looks very cool. So far, it's worked on both of the HBs
who've emailed me. (One seems quite hot in a Lisa Loeb way; the other
may be a fattie, not sure.) Curious to see how this whole online
personals thing pans out. I'll post FRs. BTW, for my profile, instead
of doing the usual SS stuff, I just posted a bunch of funny stories
that I like to tell when sarging. It's gotten a great response.

CPowles

Jay's (Formhandles) e-mail Rules

Formhandle (Jay) is the webmaster of Fast Seduction 101, the largest, highest-trafficked, and most popular pick-up and seduction site on the web.

This article is based loosely on a mASF post by Formhandle, in regards to the topic of e-mailing chicks. Acronyms used in this article can be looked up on the acronyms page.

Some of this stuff got passed around in e-mail with my buddies, they're the rules I've gradually built up when e-mailing chicks, either initially or in responses to them. Whenever in doubt of how to proceed via e-mail with a chick, refer to these rules. Keep in mind, though, that you ultimately want to focus on using the phone when communicating with a chick, limiting e-mail contact, and only use e-mail/phone if it progresses you to your ultimate goal (a lay ... if that's not what you're looking for, you're reading the wrong web site, LOL). Even after achieving your goal, don't lax on these rules. This advice isn't for guys who are already good at handling chicks through e-mail, applying their own methods, it's for guys who need a guiding hand...

Pre-rules (with some clarifications on contact closing in general):

1. Focus on g closing ("girl closing") before ever focusing on getting a chick's number or her e-mail address. The priority of close goals on first meeting should begin with an f close. Next is g close. Then a contact close. And, don't bother with contact closing unless you've properly g closed.

2. If you don't manage to get a same-day f close after first meeting a chick, and have to default to getting a chick's contact information for a future follow up, @close at the very least. If you want her number, start by @closing and then finish up by #closing. If she's reluctant to provide her number, then you haven't properly g closed. You're left with a choice of either reverting back to building up her interest or (better) challenge her in some way that displays your strong belief in your self value (for example, giving her back the piece of paper with the address on it and saying "Sorry, I'm not into playing games and am not going to e-mail you if that's the case. Otherwise, if you're really interested in having me get in touch with you later, then it's OK to go ahead and write your number down.") If you get her number first, still get her e-mail address, if she has one.

3. If a chick gives you a number or e-mail pretty easily, yet you're not sure yet of whether you've properly g closed, you can attempt this test which I sort of picked up from David DeAngelo: Look at her semi-suspiciously, but with a knowing smirk and, with a teasing tone, ask her (while handing her the piece of paper back, or before entering the # into your cell phone), "Is this a number you actually answer?" If she challenges why you're asking, finish handing her the paper back and tell her (in your own words) that you're not interested in wasintg your time calling a number that only has an answering machine attatched to it. Be VERY consistent with these words and be completely willing to walk away. If you pull this off right, only 3 situations will play out. She'll either insist the number is good and hand you the paper back or finish giving you the number, or she'll admit that it's her cell's voice mail which she never picks up (or whatever) and proceed to give you another number, or she'll bitch you out or some other shit because the reality is she was giving you a bogus number (but won't admit it). In the last case, you've saved yourself the hassle of getting in contact with her later.

4. This one I got from TokyoPUA. If a chick gives you her number, call it right in front of her after you enter it in your cell. Joke with her about it, that you want her to leave a message for herself (or whatever else is funny at the moment). If she's given you a bad number, you'll know right away, and can bust her in real-time. Otherwise, it's a great anchor for later as she'll get to hear her happy voice (and maybe also your voice) on her machine at the time she was talking to you. This is optional, but if you're a guy who constantly gets bad numbers then try it out a few times.

5. The point of having both e-mail and phone number when contact closing is, in a follow-up, you'll want to e-mail her first (within a day) and reply to her once or twice before calling, as that improves your results when making the first call. If all you get is an e-mail address (because you didn't attempt a number close, not because she refused her number) then you'll only want to e-mail her a couple times before getting her number. Don't ask for it on the first e-mail, but don't wait until your third mail to get it. Finally, if you've finished contact closing her but aren't certain of whether you've properly g closed, go for a kiss close before separating. Always aim for at least a pleasant kiss on the lips. If she goes for it, you've properly g closed and you can always decide to pull back and say "Hey, I was just thinking... I didn't have solid plans for the next couple hours, let's take a walk and get to know each other better." If she turns to give you her cheek, that's OK as that's still a stronger close than leaving with a handshake. Take it as a good sign, as she'll see your kiss as gentlemently and charming. Of course, it all depends on the context; sometimes a kiss close isn't congruent with the way you've PU'd her.

The main rules:

1. Short is better. The shorter the better, but not unless you have a really great way of structuring something to say, like a story or engaging bit of something. Just keep in mind what it was that turned her interest on in your first meeting of her - don't spend time talking about stuff that doesn't capture her attention in the most efficient way possible. Trim the fat. Then trim it some more. Some of the best first e-mails are only 2 sentences long.

2. The most important/key concept and/or question you want to have the chick focus on should come LAST, right before you sign off. NEVER put more than 1 main question in an e-mail to her unless it's absolutely necessary. And in that case, group the questions together. If you find yourself writing up 3 or more questions to her, you're making the e-mail too long (and confusing! yes, confusing) and will likely not get them all answered anyway, if at all (don't confuse her with all kinds of questions). Just ask yourself "Which is more important - bagging this chick, or getting her to answer this question?" If bagging her depends on her answering more than 2 quetions in your first e-mail, then you haven't properly g closed her and will need to split up your first e-mail into 2 smaller e-mails, the second of which is only sent in response to her reply, if necessary. The point in an initial e-mail is getting her to: remember the rapport you had with her, pique her curiosity, and get her to reply, nothing else.

3. The beginning of the greeting to the e-mail should be consistent with the way the chick tends to greet, but not word-for-word. This rule, of course, only applies once you've seen how she handles e-mail.

4. Never, ever ever, never, ever ever use "quoting" style (you know, with the angle > brackets) that us guys like to use when responding. It's like a flow of logic and chicks can't follow it. Even in work environments, chicks don't prefer to follow quote-style responses. The only reason they even bother with it in work environments is because, well, it's their job. Just quote her previous e-mail at the very bottom, if at all, and type your message to her at the top.

5. Spell-check. Write legibly and with good grammar. No short-hand unless it's necessary. Sometimes it's OK (like, using BTW or OK or "&" instead of "and"), but it really depends on the context. Remember, e-mail is not chat. Make it legible. Pretend she's an Internet/e-mail novice, even if she isn't.

6. 1 or maybe 2 smilies in the e-mail. If you can get a funny concept or sentence across as funny without a smiley, use that. Only use a smiley in the "cutest" part of your message, and never get too cute. The cutest you should get is to comment about her in a funny way or taunt her. Yes, taunt her.

7. Don't talk about yourself in your initial e-mails. Don't CLAIM anything about yourself that you can't prove through action - and, if you can prove it through action, then display the trait, if possible, through your words. But don't even do that if you can't do it efficiently - in a few words or a sentence. The point of such a display is to provide chaacter cues that will help heighten her interest of you.

8. Spend 50% of your time coming up with a good subject line, but nothing too hokey.

9. E-mail timing - figure out how long it takes the chick to initially respond and don't get too anxious to e-mail her at a much faster pace than she does. Slightly faster is fine, as long as it's gradual. If she takes 3 days to reply to you, take 2.5-3 days to reply back. If she replies back immediately, but not with a tone that makes you believe she's ready to be laid ASAP, take your time replying back - up to 2 days. YOU set the timing, she doesn't. If she doesn't reply back after 7 full days, send 1 more e-mail but make it VERY SHORT and simply challenge her directly (yet in a funny way), think of it as her "last chance", but don't actually use those words - just indicate it through cues and a subtle challenge.

10. Unless they are on vacation or away from their "home base" for some other reason, chicks tend to check their e-mail either at certain times of day almost every day or certain days of the week or both. Within the first couple e-mails, you'll be able to make a good guess as to when to optimally reach her based on the timing you're interested in. This is more important for local chicks than distant ones, and sometimes can overrule the whole waiting to reply aspect. For distant chicks (ones you are not likely to be near for a while, anywhere from 2 weeks to a few months), don't jump to phone right away and stick to e-mails - and pace the timing of those e-mails so that the communication regularity doesn't escalate too fast before you get a chance to actually be in front fo the chick.

11. If the chick uses either Hotmail or Yahoo, she's not likely to respond within the first 24-48 hours of an initial e-mail. If at all. Just accept this and don't get anxious. Go by the 1-week rule and, after that, drop her if she doesn't reply to that.

12. If an e-mail to Yahoo or Hotmail bounces, try again 2 days later (not 2 hours later). Some chicks don't check their e-mail often enough to avoid having their max inbox space filled up with spam, which causes mail to bounce. The free version of Yahoo mail has something like a 6MB limit, and Hotmail is something like 2MB.

There are other minor sub-rules, which you will learn pick up easily through practice, but if the above main rules are followed, responsiveness from chicks via e-mail gets MUCH better.