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Approval Seeking & Validation Seeking

2006-12-06T16:30:00.000-08:00

2 articles on Validation Seeking / Approval Seeking

Here's one from MASF by FunkyVader

Subject: The Seven Sins of Validation Seeking

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When I started out on this endeavor I was overwhelmed by all the new acronyms; hundreds of new techniques, methods and social dynamics that I had never heard about or had barely scratched the surface of.

One such expression was Validation Seeking, but I never really understood what it was about, for me this was just one of a hundred new things, not more important than the others.

Instead of looking into this seemingly abstract and wholly expression I focused on the obvious stuff, like peacocking and openers, things that are easy to understand. Of course, it cannot be expected of a beginner to learn everything straight away, you have to start somewhere and most people will start with the obvious improvements.

After putting much of the basic stuff behind me, the destruction of Validation Seeking Patterns has become my new mantra. It has become a focal point of my studies and is fast becoming the most interesting and important field regarding my personal development.

The exact meaning of Validation Seeking is in no way obvious, it’s an expression that few people are deeply familiar with and it’s not a term that is commonly used, at least not in my native language.

Reaction Seeking and Attention Seeking are closely related but not really covering because reaction and attention are words that are immediately associated with physical actions, these expressions are more like subsets of Validation Seeking.

The best way to understand Validation Seeking is to study the ways in which it is manifested, that is why I have created the seven sins. These sins are not only related to Validation Seeking, committing these sins may have many other reasons, that is important to keep in mind, but in many cases they will be closely tied up with underlying Validation Seeking Patterns.

Validation Seeking Patterns can be very hard to spot. One reason is, as I already mentioned, that validation seeking is generally poorly understood, another reason is that many patterns are so common that they are regarded mainstream or “normal”. The patterns are also hard to destroy simply because many of them become very strong habits.

However, it IS possible to destroy the patterns but first we have to understand what they look like and how they can be detected. On to the seven cardinal sins:

1 Lying

This pattern is very obvious and I’m not going to describe how you can detect it in yourself because you sure as hell know if you are lying or not. Lying can be very destructive to personal integrity, especially if you are repeatedly lying to DHV and appear more interesting. I have seen how this has become a habit in some, and it is the kind of habit that has the potential to destroy your life.

2 Bragging

Ok, you bought a new Mitsubishi Evolution [Editor: Extremely agile 300 horsepower road rally car], rented a penthouse or just got a hefty pay rise. Let’s assume that you bought the car because you thought it was awesome, but you realize that it has bragging potential. It is ok to brag, but it has to be done with style.

Generally speaking you should not be the one to bring up your status symbols, let the girl find out that you got an amazing car, no need to tell her. If she happens to start talking about fast cars, then of course you can go ahead but don’t try to impress her.

Keep in mind that bragging does not limit itself to status symbols, name dropping, or bragging about famous people you know or have met is often nothing more than a poorly disguised attempt to seem important, especially if that person is only "a friend of a friend".

3 Buying Friends

In the above example, if you actually bought that Mitsubishi Evo with the purpose of impressing chicks and talking about your fantastic car then you are in trouble. Some rich people will hoard things, I have seen this many times even in guys that are not particularly rich, they will collect all sorts of status symbols and gadgets in the belief or hope that it will improve their chances with the other sex and their popularity in general.

It may do so, but the chicks they will attract are mainly the gold diggers, and they are moving into negative feedback loops, Validation Seeking Patterns where their success becomes linked with material wealth. These are the guys that will completely deflate if their wealth suddenly disappears.

This sin also includes the classic AFC traits of buying drinks and expensive gifts.

4 Self Consciousness

a) If you dance in a club, do you hold back because other people "are looking"?

b) If you are walking down the street and pass by a street musician that cannot sing or a performance artist that is really weird, will you feel embarrassed?

c) Do you suffer from significant approach anxiety?

d) If you go to a show, say a standup comedian, do you sit in the back rows because you are afraid that the comedian will point his finger at you or ask you up on stage?

e) Do you have one or more inferiority complexes?

If you answer yes to one or more of these questions it may indicate the presence of Validation Seeking. You have to ask yourself why you feel that particular way, why do you feel embarrassed on behalf of the street musician? You don’t know that guy and frankly you shouldn’t be giving a shit if he is totally out of tune.

Maybe the reason that you feel embarrassed is because you picture yourself in his place and you imagine how others would laugh at you and think that you are a complete loser?

5 Supplication (Qualifying)

a) When you make a statement (or start a thread on this forum) are you worried what other people will say?

b) Will you, in your writing or talking, be very particular in what you say or do, often thinking things through, to avoid offending someone else or getting negative feedback?

c) When interacting with others will you seek frequent eye contact to constantly check the response of the other person, to make sure that person is not offended?

d) Will you avoid making decisions that may hurt others or will you avoid putting yourself in a position (higher responsibility in a company), where you will risk having to hurt others (fire people)?

This sin has been covered in great detail and succumbing to this sin is often referred to as Qualifying yourself to others. Many people will do this their entire lives without ever realizing what they are doing.

It is a very mainstream pattern that divides the alphas from the betas. It is also a very powerful tool in PU and social dynamics in general when used on people that don’t realize what is going on.

6 Outcome Dependency

a) If you are blown out of a set, do you feel anger?

b) Do you measure your success in terms of collected phone numbers or lays and don’t pay much attention to the process involved?

c) Do you count your lays?

d) Did you look for information about the criteria that others believe you should fulfill to call yourself a PUA and does this title mean a lot to you?

Ok, I realize that we all do things to get an outcome, but it’s important to keep in mind that outcome dependency is a bit different. Imagine the following, you realize that being a PUA is really cool and being cool is important to you (validation seeking pattern), so you decide to study PU partly for this reason, obviously you want pussy as well.

Before you start out you already got a clear picture in your mind that you need to become a PUA, this will make you cool, but at the same time you will build significant expectations and you may even start bragging about your plans, selling the bear before it has been shot.

The more you build up expectations the more dependent you become on the outcome, now you have to succeed or else you will fall flat on your face and look like a fool.

7 Neediness

a) If a chick or friend doesn't call or text you for an extended period of time, do you get uncomfortable?

b) Are you frequently checking your hand phone, email or some forum for feedback to your input, getting excited when someone gives that feedback or will you send a message, write an email, start a thread, write a blog or whatever with no other purpose than getting a reaction from others?

c) If you can get away with it (the boss is out of office), do you spend time on MySpace, a forum or emailing/texting instead of doing the job that you are actually paid to do?

Neediness is also linked to the feeling of loneliness. These patterns can be very hard to destroy because they are things that you may be doing many times every day, say access a forum… ahem. In the course of a year you will literally have repeated the pattern hundreds or even thousands of times and it becomes a social habit that is not unlike smoking, going to the toilet or having lunch, it simply becomes part of your daily routine without you even noticing.

FV

Subject: Re: The Seven Cardinal Sins of Validation Seeking

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This is exactly what I am working on at the moment. Like you, I did not understand it at first, but am coming to realize that it is a super important aspect of game, in all parts of my life.

Where a year ago, I was rating my performance in my interactions by the quality of eye contact, now my focus has become stamping out validation seeking.

Cars are a huge area of focus of mine right now because of the big part they have always played in my fantasies. I am realizing that many of my car fantasies are not; if I had a 911, it would be so cool to drive it, to feel it alive in my hands, the rush of acceleration, experiencing killer brakes, etc, but rather how I'd look driving it, how cool my friends would think it was and therefore me for owning it, or how impressed chicks would be with it. ie Validation fantasy.

If people start to look at their fantasies, I bet most will find themselves doing that with most expensive consumer products.

You have to reset your mind so the reason you want a car is because you actually want to drive it every day for years. Where what would be cool is your experience owning it. That you want it because it is the best choice for what it is you need a car for.

This holds true for almost everything in your life. Once you start the process of examining your actions and fantasies, you will find tons of validation seeking behavior to stamp out.

I am convinced that addressing my fantasies is the best place to start. They are a major aspect of inner game. I have to clean out all the harmful crap that is in my brain before I can refill it with better more useful stuff.

BTW: Great list of things to work on.

Silver

Subject: Re: The Seven Sins of Validation Seeking

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Thanks guys,

it's funny, but usually when I make a "big realization" and feel more enlightened it is a result of temporary euphoria that wears off very quickly, meaning that it wasn’t a big realization at all.

With this shit, it feels a bit different; the best way to describe it is that I feel more relaxed, less anxious. I also feel less envy, more focused and less tempted to daydream.

Silvertree has an interesting point about daydreaming, in his case he was dreaming about owning a Porsche 911. My daydreams has very often focused around imagining situations in which I would be appreciated in various ways; for my intellect, some extraordinary skills or for something fantastic that I did, all of this is strong validation seeking patterns, imagining myself in a position where I would receive massive validation.

Regarding the Envy it specifically relates to my new flat that I’m renting in downtown. When I just got it I wasn’t really happy with it, but now it’s more ok. When I was looking for the flat I viewed many, also some that looked considerably nicer but I ended up rejecting them for various reasons.

Instead of appreciating the flat that I chose (which actually is in an awesome location), I was always thinking about the flats that I did not get, envying the guys living in those places and being very unsure if I did the right thing.

Now I don’t really care so much about that anymore. It may sound a bit far fetched but somehow it seems that my uncomfortable feeling about the new flat was linked to a fear that others would judge me and accuse me of making the wrong choice. This can be linked directly to the fourth sin, Self Consciousness, I was afraid that others would be making fun of me. It sounds stupid, I know, but I can feel that there is something very true about this.

I didn’t actively work on the “not happy with apartment” issue at all but the realization of the “seven sins” has somehow partially destroyed some underlying mechanisms that governed those bad feelings as well. It’s a very welcomed bonus.

FV
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The rules of the game matter alot. Until they don't matter at all. There is no one way to PU - Razorjack

2006-10-10T14:06:00.000-07:00

I just had to post this to remind myself and others..

The rules of the game matter alot.
Until they don't matter at all.

There is no one way to PU.
--- Razorjack

Thoughts on Eye Contact - A post on MASF

2006-10-10T13:55:00.000-07:00

http://www.fastseduction.com/masf/8/331531/

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I just posted this at my lair as a reply to an earlier post. I would like some feedback and constructive criticism on this from those who are better at PU than I am:

"A few of my personal insights on eye contact (EC), which I believe is probably the most under-rated skills in PU:

- Many years ago I learned somewhere (on TV or at some communication seminar or something), that most people feel uncomfortable giving much EC. A great trick that makes it easy to give EC, esp. when you're starting out, is to look directly at the spot between the eyes at the top of the bridge of the nose. It avoids the discomfort of looking straight in the eye, it tricks the other person into thinking that you are maintaining good EC, and it comes across as a very confident, strong, non-creepy form of EC. Try it, even with your wingman and see what I mean.

- The way your EC comes across to the one receiving has a lot to do with your frame of mind. When you give someone else good EC, you actually project your attitude into them. If you are nervous or scared, they will feel nervous and creeped out. The attitudes I try to maintain are either relaxed contentment, a "you are already mine" confidence, or a seething passionate lust that is barely restrained. In fact, I can honestly say that good EC is, far and away, my most common opener. If I make good EC with a HB, she will either approach me, or position herself near me, so that I'll open her. If she does the latter, I'll then bust on her for being so lame in her attempt to play hard to get. By then, it's over.

- This kind of EC is also a great way to escalate. A very passionate intense sensuality can be communicated during conversational dead space that women find extremely attractive. Eventually, she will become so aroused or uncomfortable or wet by it, that she'll inevitably say "What?". When she does, don't say a word. Just give her a smile and a squint that says "You know what".

- Women consciously or unconsciously use EC to demonstrate interest. I have had hundreds of instances when there was a woman right there in proximity who I knew was purposely avoiding EC with me, for fear of making me think she was interested. Those ones are harder for me to approach, because I feel I am already at a disadvantage. They are still often approachable.

- One of the scenes I have seen recently showing the power of good EC in PU was in the movie "Alfie". Jude Law is at a bar, and these two women next to him at the bar are commenting on the "Eurotrash" in the area, referring to him. He acts completely oblivious, gives both excellent EC and a very genuine pleasant smile, and wins them in an instant - he passed their bitch test.

- This hasn't happened often enough, but when it has, it has been flawless: If a HB maintains strong EC with me for an extended period, basically the PU is over, without exchanging any words. That has only happened one or two dozen times in my life, but when it has, it has really worked well.

- Good EC can be learned, is very easy to practice, usually produces measurable results fairly quickly, and works well for lots of things besides PU.

If you try any of this stuff out, let me know how it goes."

PUA - Where is the Artist? Where is the Art? All I see is numbered coloring books & copycats.

2006-10-08T11:07:00.000-07:00

I was commenting on the post titled "The Hunt" by Cristina who is one of Tynans Angels. Ty.. as he's more commonly known among the close brotherhood in Austin was the famous infamous Herbal..

This is what I commented and then I had a few follow on thoughts I wanted to capture.. Some thoughts I had before the GAME came into my life like a whirlwind..

Let me put it this way. Its not about guys hitting on girls for sex & girls hating them for just doing that.

Look at it this way.. Guys & Girls both want to have sex. The thing is.. what if we were a HEDONISTIC society. SEX was a free for all like shaking hands and not looked down upon.

THEN what would people be craving? Then they would get bored of sex and be craving something else that would make them feel GOOD. GOOD ENERGY, POSITIVE ENERGY from other things.. drinking, dancing, teasing etc.

Thats what we as HUMAN BEINGS.. feed on. Good energy.

When ANYONE goes out with the intent of having a fun night they want this POSITIVE ENERGY.. by themselves (alone), with their friends and those times when you bump into FUN people.

There are times when a girl would go out with the intent of dressing down & not talking to anyone.. and she sees this Smart Fun guy with a great ENERGY (it is ENERGY PLAY AFTER ALL) (whether or not he is surrounded by Fraternity AFCs or Lotsa HBs is a separate issue).

The question is DOES THAT ENERGY DRAW HER IN? The same happens when I go out.. with the intent to have fun.. FUN PERIOD. If there is a group of guys or girls or both who are having a good time.. and I FEEL THEIR ENERGY.. It draws me in.. and if they feel mine.. it draws them in. Its about ENERGY PLAY.

As Juggeler & SocialHitchiker say.. Dont value people on their outer shields.. peer inside to know who they are. But, if you dont bring in a POSITIVE VIBE to begin with.. well in the ancient times.. you would get pelted with stones.

PEOPLE RESPOND TO YOUR ENERGY & VIBE. Guys, Girls, Old people, TSA Employees at the Airport (Did I say on an average when I travel from Source Taxi to Destination Taxi I’ll push positive energy into atleast 5-10 people..).

Life is mundane when you look at it as ROUTINE. You can make anything and everything POSITIVE.. and ENERGIZED if you really looked at it more CREATIVELY. Get out of your head.. and think like CALIVIN (CALVIN & HOBBES).

Thats my philosophy.

(Damn.. that was good.. Maybe I should post this on my blog & start a workshop for side income.. LOL!. Nah.. I dont have the time.. maybe some day)

I would look at it this way..

WHAT IF SEX WAS A GIVEN? WHAT IF YOU ALREADY HAD SEX? What would you want next.. What would you want with your partner (long term, short term or ONS)?

You would love to share great ENERGY.. positive energy. This can be a non-proportional mix of fun, shared humour, chemistry, charming conversations, deep / wide conversations / rapport, some teasing, some playground antics, or a deep conversation on spirituality & meditation etc.. Share the love of food, some exotic beach, whatever.. or a quaint little coffeshop or bookstore.

That is KEY. Sex is a biological filler.. (Which is a lot of fun.. which adds "substances" into your body & mind.. I forget what its called.. Seratonin, dopamine..) and allows people to CONNECT more.. since that is when you are VERY VERY naked.. and OPEN.. not just physically but emotionally, mentally & spiritually..

They are all facilitators & indicators of LIFE - Not one of existance.

If all the people understood this.. it would be amazing. If I could teach that to all the potential 'genetically' good looking / women in my life.. that would be so fulfilling. But, not everyone tries to go there.

...

That is the ART. Art of bringing positive energy (physical, mental, emtional, spiritual) into the people you interact with.

An artist is someone who experiments and enjoys the ART.. is not bound by stencils.. its for the love of the art, the creative process & juices.. the love of the subject (the target) and the shared energy & feeling of that instance of art..

In today's PUA world.. I dont see a lot of ARTISTS. I see a lot of COPYCATS. I see a lot of so called established artists that make an abandon a painting for the sake of a sale. They are stuck to their stencils...

That is not an ARTIST. Be an artist not a copy cat.

the kino manual

2006-10-06T08:39:00.000-07:00

Gandolf posted this on the India Lair.

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Gentlemen - this is the best thing I have ever read on kino. It's from John Alanis.
Read this again and again. Develop the correct mindset.

""Magic Touch Secrets: How To Create Immediate, Irresistible Attraction In Stunningly Beautiful Women With a Simple Gesture." "

In this report, I'm going to talk about the most important part of attraction-- actual, physical touch. Attraction cannot exist for long without some form of touch... indeed, attraction leads to the most intimate of touching, which can create even more attraction.

But, as you may have experienced, the wrong kind of touch applied at the wrong time can kill any attraction. You have to know when to touch a woman, how to touch her, and where to touch her, otherwise your touch (or the "busting of a move," as some guys call it), will get you nothing but a slap in the face, not the kind of touch you're looking for.

First off, understand this: women LIKE to be touched by men. They enjoy it. They crave it. They don't like men who are afraid to touch them. They like men who touch them the right way at the right time-- and that's what I'm going to reveal to you in this report.

There's one other thing I want to mention before we really get started, and this is one of the most powerful things you will ever learn about attraction: while women touch men they are already attracted to, touching a woman the right way can actually create attraction where there was none before. This "reverse engineering" of attraction is something very few men understand-- but it can give you an incredible leg up on any competition, AND can turn a "friend" into a hot lover, or even a long term relationship. I'll talk about this more at the end of this report, but I want you to be aware it from the get-go because it is one of the most powerful attraction-creation secrets I've discovered.

Women and men experience attraction differently. As men, it doesn't take much to turn us on-- we see a beautiful woman (or for some guys, any woman), and we're attracted, we're ready to go. For us, attraction is an "on/off" switch, and it doesn't take too much pressure to flip that switch. If a woman comes up to us, hugs us, grabs our butt, and then grabs our crotch, we think to ourselves, "hey, this is great... there should be more women like this in the world!"

But... if we were to do the same thing to a woman (unless we're already in an intimate relationship with her), we're probably going to get a visit from the law. Women don't experience attraction as we do... for them, it's much more like a volume knob (that needs to be turned up s-lo-w-l-y with gentle tension) than a switch. BUT, they eventually get to the same amount of excitement and arousal as we do, just in a different way.

Women love anticipation, and women love teasing, especially when it comes to touch. As guys, we just want to get down to business, and don't see the purpose of anticipation. That's where most guys go wrong with touching women-- they presume women respond the same way to touch that they do, make a sudden "move" and then wonder why she responds badly. Think of it this way: if you turn the volume knob on a stereo up too fast, you'll blow the speakers.

But, if you turn it up slowly, you can crank them pretty high-- and that's the way you should think about touching a woman. Even better, if you turn up the volume, then turn it down, then turn it back up a little higher, then down, then higher, etc., you'll get to where the music is playing loud and everyone's happy. That's the BEST way to think about touching a woman!

So, keeping all that in mind, how do you get started touching? The first thing to keep in mind is to avoid anything sudden or threatening. If you meet a woman for the first time, and then grab her butt (unless you are a real master of seduction like my friend Chet R.), she's probably going to feel threatened, and any initial attraction is going to be killed.

If I meet a woman for the very first time, I do well by shaking her hand, looking her in the eye, smiling my "naughty boy smile," and then holding onto her hand for longer than any "friend" would. This immediately lets her know that I'm a guy who "understands attraction"-- most guys quickly let her hand go, and avoid eye contact, I hold onto it much longer.
What I'll often do is shift her hand, so I'm holding her fingers in mine, just underneath the knuckle, while continuing to smile my naughty boy smile, maintain eye contact, and let her know that yes, this is indeed about attraction. Women LOVE this because it shows you're a confident guy who's not afraid to let her know, via touch, that attraction is present.
Every meeting after that I always greet her by giving her a big hug, just like she's a long lost girlfriend (or a current one), then move my hands to her waist, just above her hips. Most guys don't touch a woman like this-- it builds sexual tension (a good thing with women), without overtly grabbing her butt, which is threatening (until you've been intimate with her). Also, touching a woman with both hands just above her waist brings back sexual memories, and at times, memories of orgasms gone by. Why? Because when she's on top, most guys will hold her by her waist, creating an "anchor" that can be "fired off," simply by recreating the touch.

This is a big secret because, all of a sudden, she's thinking very sexual thoughts, and experiencing very sexual feelings in your presence, even you though you're not technically touching her in an overtly sexual place.
Many times I will gently and rhythmically squeeze her, heightening the feelings. She links the feelings to you, and categorizes you as a man who creates attraction for her-- a good category to be in.

When I sit down to talk to a woman for the first time (after I've shaken her hand or hugged her), I want to begin to build anticipation via touch-- teasing touch. Remember though, I want to turn up the volume gently, not flip a switch, so I start with the most unobtrusive, most fleeting touch, and then ramp up from there. That way there's no "sudden move" (like trying to french kiss her out of the blue) that gets me classified as a loser.

You never want to make a move, just turn up the volume, so that each touch seems a natural extension of the previous one.

This takes advantage of an extremely powerful psychological principle called, "commitment and consistency." Essentially what it says is, if you can get someone to take a smaller action, you can get them to take a bigger action they otherwise wouldn't have taken.

For example, it's very difficult to get someone to put a big, ugly sign in their yard saying they support "public safety." It is however, very easy to get someone to put a tiny sticker in their window saying the same thing-- where it gets interesting is when you go back to the people who agreed to put sticker in their window and ask them to put up the yard sign. On average 80% of them will say yes, who would have said "no way," had they not made the commitment of putting up the sticker.

The "gap" can get even wider though-- if you get people to simply sign a petition stating they support public safety, then ask them to put up the ugly yard sign, 80% of them will do it. Once people make a commitment, they tend to act consistent with that commitment, no matter how small it is.

So... the same thing applies to women and touch. When you start with a tiny, non-threatening touch, she has made a commitment to respond favorably to your touch, and will now act consistent with her new set of beliefs (yes, commitment and consistency is a way to change belief systems-- it's very powerful stuff, and you can read more about it in Robert B. Cialdini's "Influence: The Psychology of Persuasion," which you can get at Amazon for about $20.00), and respond favorably to more intimate touching. You still have to "ramp it up," but you can do so quickly and easily.

Commitment and consistency is the reason why "busting a move" usually fails miserably-- there is no prior commitment to your touch... you're asking her to put the yard sign up without signing the petition. Get her to "sign the petition," "put up the window sticker," "put up a small sign," THEN put up the big sign. Turn up the volume, don't flip the switch.

Now, you might be asking yourself, "isn't this a bit underhanded?"

The answer is NO-- this is how women WANT to be touched... they love being with a man who truly knows how to build anticipation, who knows how to slowly turn her on. Understanding this secret will get you known amongst the female world as a man who "understands women," as opposed to the "move buster" who's known as a loser.

Onward.

The unobtrusive touch I like to start with is either a brief squeezing of her shoulder, or a light finger tip touch on the wrist, that I quickly move away, in a teasing manner.

I wait until she's laughing to touch her for the first time so she associates my touch with good feelings (this is called "anchoring" if you want the technical term). Again, it's a brief, teasing touch--

I don't hold on.
The next time I touch her, it's in the same place, but I squeeze her shoulder briefly, or I lightly press her wrist with my fingertips, holding my touch a bit longer than the first time.
I always look her in the eye and smile my "naughty boy smile" when I do this-- I'm very overt, letting her know that "yes, I am a man who's creating attraction for you, and I want you to know it."

A lot of guys make the mistake of trying to be "covert" or "undercover"-- this can backfire because oftentimes the woman will interpret it as "lack of confidence," something that can kill attraction instantly. Women like a man who's confident enough to "turn up their volume" and let them know it.

Don't be covert or sneaky-- be out in the open, and keep it in the spirit of fun and playfulness.
The next step is to increase the level of touch. If she's responding well to my touch (and I rarely meet a woman who doesn't), then I want to move to holding her hand, an obvious sign that this about attraction. How do I know when she's responding well to my touch? It's pretty easy, actually-- she's laughing, and smiling, and she's still engaged with me. Also, if she returns my touch and starts touching me the same way (and oftentimes she will), this is a major signal she's attracted.

What I'll do next is take her hand and comment on one of her rings, or a bracelet. I'll ask her for the story behind it, while I keep holding her hand. I'll then start massaging her hand gently, again, increasing the "volume" of my touch. If she doesn't have a ring, I'll take her hand, and say, "oooh, you've got warm hands," OR "ooo, your hands are cold, let's warm them up." Either way I'm holding her hand, and slowly turning up the volume. Keep in mind this all started with a slight touch. How long does it usually take before I'm massaging her hand? Twenty minutes or so, depending on how she responds to my initial touch-- it happens pretty fast.
If I'm attracted to her, then I get a commitment for the next meeting, or simply invite her to come hang out at my place for a bit. When we part ways, I hug her (making sure to squeeze her waist), kiss her on the cheek, kiss her lips, pull away, then give her a full kiss, pulling away before she's done-- remember, I want to keep teasing her. Most guys let her break away first-- wrong answer. Make sure you do it first. After you've kissed her, you have permission to kiss her any time you've seen her, or whenever she comes over. We now have a physical relationship, not just the chance of one, and attraction is obviously present-- look at all the touching we've done!

Like I said in the beginning, you can "reverse engineer" attraction using "teasing touch." If you have a friend you'd like to have as a lover, even as a girlfriend, then the thing to do is start touching her unobtrusively whenever she's laughing. A quick squeeze on the shoulder, with you pulling away can do wonders for attraction. What you want to make sure to do is to be sure YOU'RE the one teasing, YOU'RE the one pulling away first, YOU'RE the one saying, "oh no, we're just friends."

This playful teasing touch builds all kinds of wonderful anticipation that only a guy she's attracted to can build. Soon enough you'll find yourself doing all kinds of wicked things with her, and you'll hear the magic words, "I never thought of him in 'that way,' but it just happened." Yeah-- what happened was, you created attraction that wasn't present before. You'll know you did it right when you hear those words: "it just happened." The translation is, "I was so attracted, I couldn't help myself!" A better translation is, "I was so attracted I didn't want to help myself."

OK guys, that's it for this report. Print it out and re-read it over and over again. While the information in here is brief, it's some of the most powerful "attraction secrets" you'll ever put to use. You'll never have to "bust a move" again... just turn up the volume (or for you Metal Heads who remember, "Autograph," just Turn Up the Radio!).

A LR from Mega - Making it easy

2006-08-12T13:59:00.000-07:00

I met Mega in Ibiza. It was interesting how Gung Ho he was irrespective. Here's a no nonsense, simple, LR.. where he leads.. in the right way.

LR: Let's make it easy
« on: July 31, 2006, 06:29:25 PM »

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I had a great Saturday. Woke up with my ex HB8.5 IMO and fc'd a day 2 HB7. Then hung out with Beckster and AdamLondon at Cafe de Paris.

Here's how it went down...

A while back I realised that my game is quite alright but there's something that was holding me back. It was the kind of feeling that you've got all the pieces of the puzzle, you've made the border but you just can't get those bastards in the middle.

So with all the talk of natural game and chilling out, I decided to chill the f*ck out and get laid.

The scene was Hed Kandi night at Pascha with Bull Boy, Cardenas, Juan and Cigar.

We all hung out in the smaller room. The aim being to have some fun, harrass (PLAYFULY!) as many girls as possible and build social proof. If you ever go fishing it's a bit like throwing out burley and seeing which fish bite. From my experience the main room in a club is not ideal for this and most girls are too mashed up/ over stimulated for any rapport building.

Day 1:

It was about 1am when I realised it was time to act. A cute HB7 in a little skirt was sitting by herself on the couches at the side of the room.

I look her up and down quite obviously, then approach... "I like salad, my favourite is Greek salad, it must be all that olive oil..." (Cheers Rich)

At this point, her sister who was off to the side with bf was about to eject her but target brushed her off. IOI.

Anyway, we chat about nonsense, I tease her a bit, chat to her sister and bf. At one stage HB7 asks me for a drink. I tell that I'll get her one if she gets me one. Eventually her sister gets me a beer. Sorted.

I get her to dance... There's a point where she sits down for a bit and chats with Cigar. They chat for a while and I continue opening.

I might have fucked this bit up, but following the 1 in the hand principal, I knew that I didn't want to stay in set for too long. This took a lot of self control... especially since I was sarging a fucking smoking HB9 scottish bleached blonde with dark eye makeup and hot pants.

At one point I noticed Cigar was out of set, so I grabbed HB7, mini-isolated and kc'd. Too easy. Rapport, number close, more rapport, another venue change and I ejected home. Key thing here is that I have no fear of kc'ing these days and can usually pull it off naturally.

Could have hooked up a tall black tranny at the bus stop but decided against it. Please forgive me.

One phone call to chat. I work in Mayfair 10mins from Pic circus tube. I always use this time to call someone.

Some text game courtesy of Bull Boy. This is the one bit that actually took some effort. Thanks champ.

Day 2:

Meet on Putney bridge, kiss and kino. We have a few drinks/ mini lunch at the Boathouse (I paid... fucking lazy of me, but I couldn't be arsed getting out of it).

Was too long in the boat house (2 hours) and sat myself in a bad position so couldn't kino enough. Started to feel energy drop so I hurried her out and took aim towards my house.

KC'd again in Bishops Park, slapped her arse, told her we're going to my local for a game of pool.
HB: You just want to get me to your house.
Mega: You know me too well. (Agree to shit tests)

Caught the bus. At the destination...
Mega: Change of plans, we're having a bottle of wine in my garden. On you. (Lead and get her to invest)
HB: Ok.

My house. Cursery drink in the garden.
Mega: Come I'll give you a tour of the house.
HB: -Raised eye brow-
Mega: I grab her and lead.

... No LMR. FC

Then I watch a DVD. Girl next door, good pickup tips. Plus some nudity, which got me in the mood...

FC again.

Get a call from Bull Boy while I'm shagging. That's the second time. Third time I get a bottle of champaigne.

Tell her I'm leaving for dinner, have a shower and eject.

Lessons:

Chat
Kino
Killer instinct

Mega

Women: Truth and authenticity

2006-05-19T09:06:00.000-07:00

Rollo Tomassi (from SoSuave.net, the DJ forums) comments on the truth factor of the social game between men and women.

If any guys ever feel guilty for lying or embelising then they need to read this and re-figure the "facade" that women put up as well and not have to have moral bindings in that respect.

We're all as 'authentic' as our conditions permit.
Is a woman who spends an hour on her make up 'authentic'? Is the woman with a wonder bra on being genuine? How about a woman with implants, Ms. Clairol hair, who tans at the salon?
It's easy for guys to take some moral high-ground in this respect, but we'd still get a hard-on if we saw her in a club or in a bikini at the beach.
Do we really even want authenticity?
We sell them a fantasy, they sell us a fantasy.
If anything men are the more honest in all of it since our stories have to stand up to scrutiny -
We're socialized to expect and accept that women are to be more than they are, and when they let down their hair, it's "the inside that counts, right?"
Men have to back up their story with action and proof in the long term - women can get away with letting their roots show.

And what's authentic anyway?
What was 'real' for me at 28 isn't who I am at 38 - hell, even 32. Personality isn't static, we change it as our conditions warrant.

How Are Your Fundamentals? - Woodhaven

2006-05-03T23:44:00.000-07:00

A post on fundamentals by Woodhaven.

Date Posted: 2005/09/27 10:33:00 PM EDT
Author: Woodhaven
Subject: How Are Your Fundamentals?

Hey guys.

This discussion board is a great place, I've learned most everything I know here. It's nice to be back. ;)

I see a lot of new guys here, that's cool.

I also see a lot of 'discussion in the clouds'.

I also see this in our programs. People who think they're advanced, but not. "Shit. I've been reading ASF for 3 years now, I'm advanced!"

...But with no field experience, no fundamentals, and no patience to learn the critical elements that could DRAMATICALLY improve their results.

It's a tremendous blow to the ego, I understand, guys. But if you want to get good, you have to pay your dues.

I see so many guys who want to build a skyscraper of advanced routines, without the necessary fundamentals. They want to build their skyscraper on a mountain of fluff!

They are too attached to their ego and current identity to make real progress.

Drop your ego, guys. It's great that you want to be this great pick up artist overnight, and if you ask me I can tell you all the advanced concepts in the world, all the lines and routines Dimitri and I actually say to our girls...

But slow down. Get disciplined, be patient and take it easy. Put your faith in us and drop the act. I can turn you into a superstar if you're willing to take a good look at yourself and do the work.

I won't promise you the the world overnight. It's real easy to overhype this type of thing. That just makes people unhappy though...

There are many guys on here living in the illusion that they are a 'PUA'. "Cool, I know all these great techniques and routines. I'm a 'Pick up Artist'".

Enjoy living your fantasy. Keep telling yourself that, we're real proud of you!

But if you lack field-tested fundamentals, and you crave nothing but more and more 'advanced techniques'...

Then I hate to break it to you, but YOU'RE NOT ADVANCED.

No one, not even the best guys I've met, are above the fundamentals. They have them internalized, for sure, but are not above them.

Meeting Mystery and Sin this summer was eye opening - to say the least! Not because their game is 'indirect' and a completely different style... blah blah blah

It was eye opening because of what we shared in COMMON. That's what floored me. Seeing the exact same fundamentals. The only difference was the icing on the cake!

Critical fundamentals many guys are lacking:

Spontaneity, and having your 'filler' actions congruent with the level of
techniques you are using.

Persistence, and the ability to stay in set, holding firmly an assumption of
attraction. Lack of attachment and fear.

Having relaxed and calm bodylanguage / facial expressions, as opposed to
overly fake and insincere movements. Standing up straight, and not trying too
hard to control or animate your bodylanguage.

Holding eye contact, projecting a tonality that is loud and crisp.

Situational relevance, and knowing when to introduce certain topics of conversation or routines.

Rewarding good behavior, punishing bad behavior.

And finally: a desire to keep learning and make progress as a continual
student of the game.

Woodhaven

OR: Almost LRs.. Women & Natural Game

2006-04-30T20:53:00.000-07:00

OR: Almost LRs.. Women & Natural Game

They are so ..wierd.. well.. from what I thought they were like. Honestly..

We're just two lost souls
Swimming in a fish bowl,
Year after year,
Running over the same old ground.
What have we found?
The same old fears.

Night 1 -

Essentially I was out with my friends spent time between some walkable places in and around mid-town.

A dinner date / friend of buddy was HB-Boobs who provoked me (not really in terms of attraction) on why I dont drink alcohol. I take that with a smile and apply some counter logic etc and we have a fun back n forth where.. Im relaxed & enjoying the process because I DID NOT CARE TO WIN OVER HER POINT OF VIEW.. WHEREASE SHE DID. An attempt to have a certain outcome comes with one DEPENDENCE.. which is a weakness... Dependence on OUTCOME and hence dependence on that need to be validated.

BE THE PROCESS, ENJOY THE PROCESS.. DONT THINK ABOUT THE RESULT.

As a reason of those arguments .. several of which she started or she said and I insinuated so that she would reapproach me.. ended up firing her brains.. tease.. hug.. hey chill.. I dont mean anything I say.. I am going to bullshit all night long and I dont want you to take it to the heart..She
d say I was X, Y, Z... (negative adjectives).. Yes, I AM X.. I am complete loser.. with a big smile which says something COMPLETELY opposite. IT SAYS.. YOU CAN SAY WHAT YOU WANT.. I DONT NEED YOUR VALIDATION... MY PERCEPTION OF ME IS BASED ON ME..and IT REMAINS UNSHAKEN..

The second that you become defensive you are killing your strength.

She would get offensive and find that all her 'sticks & stones' would slide over me like a greased monkey.. who smiled..

YOUR OPPONENT WILL GET INTIMIDATED IF ALL THEIR STRIKES CAUSE YOU TO SMILE BACK AT THEM..

Lots of things happened that night.. that are mentionable here.. but Im bored of it..

End of night.. we are heading back to parked cars and she kicks me from behind.. slightly.. I turn smile.. do that again and you are in trouble.

IF YOU TELL YOUR OPPONENT TO NOT DO SOMETHING "OR ELSE" THEY ARE HIGHLY LIKELY TO DO IT.

She does.. and I dont know what kick fired inside. I turn.. and rush towards her (she is with 1 buddy) .. I had no idea what I was going to do.. hit her or what.. but I was in the moment.. I dont know what the people thought I was going to do.. I WAS IN THE MOMENT>.

The HB Boobs is on her back on the floor on the road in the middle of the street in front of popular lounge. I dont know cause I dont remember hitting her.... but that she went on super defensive..I TICKLED HER SENSELESS.. HER BOOBS present but neglected.. but I TICKLED her SENSELESS..

"See what u get".. ok "Say sorry". I dont say sorry etc..

I lift her up with buddy.. LOL!. Start humming my song again.. walk. 5 minutes later she is apologizing etc.. Im saying hey.. I did not take anything she said ..in.. I was bullshittin and there was no offense taken.. She wont stop..feeling guilty.. I grab her nose, her cheeks.. give her a hug..Somewhere in between I might have noticed her NIPPLES ERECT and pressing VISIBLY out of her CLEAVAGE top unlike before and somtime before she had "fuck me" eyes.

We call it a night.

PS: I have some ethics, rules and filters. She could've been an easy target and close.. but there are a lot of reasons why I chose not to. If someone wants to know more.. ask

Night 2 -

I was out with my friends at the I-fest and bumped into a lot of people.. old & new. Lots of all day chilled out interaction with HBs (models..), busting, talking, flirting. When I mentioned that, didnt we also meet at X before.. She's like yeah.. you have my number.. (remembers giving it to me.. me not calling her.. and / or remembering her.. or her name).

ONE THING I HIGHLY ENCOURAGE... BE AROUND A LOT OF WOMEN.. e.g. I used to have a lot of female friends as a part of my circle back in the day and being around them, busting each others chops, sarcastic casual flirting etc, kino etc came easy with them around. An ACQUIRED ART.. versus the need to LEARN IT FROM SCRATCH thingy..

YOU GET DE-SENSITIZED TO THEIR SO CALLED FEMALE POWERS, UNLESS OF COURSE YOU ARE THEIR "AFC" LJBF BOY. BUT YOU KNOW BETTER NOW.

THERE IS NO NEED TO DIS-RESPECT THEM.. SO KEEP THAT BALANCE AT EQUAL.. but with a slight EDGE of UNPREDICTABLE, CRAZY or ECCENTRIC about you. This need not be artificial.. we all have QUIRKS that can be ACCENTUATED..in a POSITIVE FRAME..BINDING THAT YOU ARE TOTALLY COMFORTABLE IN YOUR SKIN...

(NO INSECURITIES STEMMING FROM CERTAIN ATTRIBUTES ABOUT YOURSELF... OR LABELED TO YOU BY OTHERS).

So the day was spent tiring myself out at the fest, talking to a lot of HB Models. Most people will think.. how come you did not # close, game theme etc. Lots of dynamics in play.

When you get into a gathering through a social circle member then you do not want to be "labeled" the guy who always chases ass.

Nothing says NEEDY more than a PUA who does not know when to START and when to STOP. Remember its called pick up ARTIST. An artist is an inspired creative being with urges / wants.. not desperate needs .. to express ones creative desires & outcomes.

So.. I head home.. take some rest and jump back into the scene.. meet with friends at a lounge..

NOTHING IS GOING TO MAKE YOUR NIGHT OR MAKE YOU HAPPIER THAN TO BE OUT WITH A GENUINE SET OF FRIENDS WHO YOU CAN "RELATE WITH" AT SEVERAL LEVELS. THIS IS YOUR STATE ENHANCER, BUILDER and "DONT GIVE A FUCK" enhancer.

I realized somewhere down the line that I did not really want to become a social robot.

I've been very genuinely interested in knowing and deeply connecting with this small bunch of cool people who had the same mindset and we've made great close friends.. really really fast. Its ironic how the world turns.. TO add to it.. I'll give a old phrase..

BROS BEFORE HOS..

To elaborate on it.. Even your female friends are your BROS.. BROS.. encompasses your 'close circle of friends' or those that can be included into that circle. You define it.. people that bring energy into your circle

HOS.. not necessarily bitchy or slutty girls.. HOS.. are anyone who wants drain energy out of you..or ur circle.. (broadly)..

Note: This definition is subject to change upon accumulation of more sleep.

Long story short we merge merge merge into 'circles' where one person knows another, knows someone etc. What I've learnt is, this can be applied to "known circles with gatekeepers" or "unknown circles with gatekeepers" or others that fall in the middle. To REALLY LEARN HOW TO DO THIS AT A SUBCONCIOUS LEVEL.. YOU NEED TO KNOW HOW IT FEELS TO DO IT WITH THE FIRST TYPE.

ONE GREAT THING I HAVE SEEN GOOD PUAs who Ive met in person, talked with a lot, hung out and kept in touch with.. exhibited a great quality I always had from the past. THEY MIX CIRCLES. THEY BRING FRIENDS FROM DIFFERENT GROUPS AND MIX THEM. Asian Playboy, Prophet & the DALLAS LAIR guys do a great job of this.

WHAT IS WRONG WITH US? ------- WE SHOULD ADDRESS THIS.

Chill at venue 1. Move to party at venue 2. Kick back relax etc. A lot of people pick on my 'water drinking' / non alcohol and provides room for conflict building (friendly.. please). Brings out another set of areas where you can chat with people. But, that gets people talking to you. Its invisible PEACOCKING.. LOL!. wierd..

So on the floor with people.. these HBs start getting active about 'molesting' a buddy and then me. Butt grabbing, Abs checking etc. I am like dont bring the monster inside me out. It begins to HAPPEN. They are comfortable enough to do crazy shit to us..guys.. so we raise the bar..

Pick up women "literally" from the floor, cave man style, butt slaps, butt pinches.. (If you cant handle this) even with some of the guys (close buddies). Acting like I was gay/bisexual and then taking advantage of that 'sexual' factor to kino and chill. But all this was subconcious.. NOT TRIED. IT JUST HAPPENED. NOW ITS AN ACTIVE JOKE.

The most atrocious was me "grinding this HB and at one point literally grabbing her butt as she was behind me and lifting her of the floor". I WAS LIKE... WHAT THE FUCK AM I DOING. I TELL MY BUDDIES.. WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON.

Go to after party venue 2. No dice.. child squander try to bribe our way in. Same with venue 3.

Decide to take the party to a buddies place and things just begin to amplify. Sexual jokes and innuendos.. left, right & center. Crazy partying etc.

Calibrate what you say.. but more importanly SAY WHAT YOU SAY.. WITH TOTAL CONVICTION.. and NO EXPECTED RESPONSE.. VALIDATION OR APPROVAL. Some of this may go beyond the EDGE and fall into a 'WIERD' zone at times, but like any standup comedian.. LEARN TO MOVE ON WITH COURTESY LAUGHTER..

BOTTOM LINE.... BE IN THE MOMENT.

Long story short.. at one point I am dancing with this HB. She'd go grind with a buddy then would change to me.. at one point in a 3 level sanwich of 3 guys n girls (alternating) she might have felt me hard and went ahead to give "more". Later and kinoing her back on the couch for several songs.. BACK, SHOULDERS, ARMS etc. .. all with my eyes closed. Just lost in the moment.

I knew that I could kiss her make out and what not.. in terms of her "feelings". But, I did not feel CONGRUENT about where my INTENTIONS stood at that point. Also, I was afraid of going any further in front of my friends. UNCOMFORTABLE. But, did not leave my chilled out state. I did smell her hair several times.. caressed her neck & ears... back massage..

I had not connected with her, established a rapport with her at that point.. But, I knew that if I did begin that.. she was not going ANYWHERE.. But, my own INTENTIONS needed some unwinding.. All I had to do was start my JUGGLER STYLE in the moment vibing.. and she was already like putty in my hands.. what would be next...... (Although at that time everyone had moved away leaving us on the couch.. Also, she possibly might have some ASD.. but in some way seemed like everyone approved)

She did ask me how long I had known.. x, y, z and people etc. Needing that comfort, trust factor.. I was honest in my 'short term' but close friendships with some of the people

We defused that.. slowly we called it a night..

The whole night involved a lot of times when I would stay super quiet and listen riff in briefly.. at times lead the convo.. have a 'unaffectedly chilled out state & frame'. This is very very alpha and powerful. I can not even begin to tell you. Times of philosophical and spiritual conversation and times of STUPID conversation.

But, nothing was forced.. nothing was orchestrated, not was planned. No active thoughts.. or being in ones head.

WHERE DOES THIS GO..... WELL THIS IS PART OF THE PROCESS OF NATURALIZING MY GAME.. TO THE POINT I NEVER THINK..

WILL IT HELP MY WITH COLD APPROACHES.. I AM SURE IT WILL..
WILL IT HELP MY FEAR OF DOING KINO.. HELL YEAH IT WILL..
WILL IT HELP MY FRAME RESILIENCE.. I CANT EVEN BEGIN TO TELL..

NATURALIZE YOUR GAME THE SOONER YOU CAN. THERE IS NO SUBSTITUTE TO KNOW THAT ITS NOT THE GAME.. BUT ITS YOU .. THAT WILL BUILD INNER GAME, CONFIDENCE & POWER.. OR the power will always be confined to some other "element" of your so called arsenal.

FOR THE MOST POWERFUL WARRIORS ITS THEIR INNER SELF THAT MAKES THEM GREAT.. NOT THE WEAPONS .. IF THEY GIVE "CREDIT" TO THE WEAPONS THEN IF A WEAPON IS LOST OR BROKEN IN BATTLE THEIR FAITH IN THEMSELVES SHALL BE SHATTERED.

RECALLED REFERENCES:

Wish You Were Here (Waters, Gilmour) 5:17

So, so you think you can tell
Heaven from Hell,
Blue skys from pain.
Can you tell a green field
From a cold steel rail?
A smile from a veil?
Do you think you can tell?

And did they get you to trade
Your heros for ghosts?
Hot ashes for trees?
Hot air for a cool breeze?
Cold comfort for change?
And did you exchange
A walk on part in the war
For a lead role in a cage?

How I wish, how I wish you were here.
We're just two lost souls
Swimming in a fish bowl,
Year after year,
Running over the same old ground.
What have we found?
The same old fears.
Wish you were here.

Three steps to confidence

2006-04-13T00:54:00.000-07:00

“Low self-esteem is a weakly or inadequately fulfilled desire for self worth.”

In media and in the PU community alike people with low self esteem (LSE) are often portrayed as having negative views of themselves. They are shown as people who hate themselves because they feel inadequate. The more I thought about it however, the more it became clear that LSE is a lack of positive views rather than an abundance of negative ones.

People with low self esteem would very much like to succeed, to love and gain the admiration of others. However these goals seem mostly out of reach because the focus of people with LSE is to protect what little self worth they have. Their goal in most situations is to avoid failure, humiliation and rejection.

There are three steps to high self-esteem:
• A clear image of self (identity)
• Nurturing positive beliefs about yourself
• Growing positive expectations

Clear image of self

“I like looking feminine and I enjoy being a role model. I enjoy being a woman. It all comes down to having the confidence to be who you are.” Cathy Freeman

People with LSE lack a clear, consistent understanding of who they are, which leaves them at the mercy of events and changing situations. They life outside of themselves, because what others or events say about them is what defines them.

They favour self-protection over self-improvement, and because of this lean toward low-risk situations. They prefer not to expose themselves to situations which involve risk even if this means giving up opportunities for success and prestige.

So, who are you?

What defines you? What are your core values? What is your reality?

If you are unable (after thinking about it for a sec) to answer these questions it might be good to do some further work on this. A good starting point would be to find out who you are now, do tests like this and then decide who you want to be.

Does who you are now fit in with your goals? - If you haven’t got goals formulated, this is why you should - In what way do you need to change to achieve your goals? What will this take? Read papagaai's post about sticking points, for a good manual on how to set and achieve goals.

Nurturing positive beliefs about yourself

“We all have great inner power. The power is self-faith. There's really an attitude to winning. You have to see yourself winning before you win. And you have to be hungry. You have to want to conquer.” Arnold Schwarzenegger

Like said before, LSE comes mainly from a lack of positive beliefs. When having fewer positive beliefs about your self, to fall back on in times of stress or pressure, you will feel vulnerable and have difficulty coping with adversity. To make things worse; people with LSE tend to over-generalize the importance of failure. In the process losing self esteem is linked to anger, hostility and a lot of other bad emotions. Thus LSE becomes a self-perpetuating circle.

So we can agree it is important to form positive beliefs about your self. This can be done by affirmations (however, they seem kind of artificial to me) or you can change your inner dialogue. Changing the way you think will logically change the way you perceive yourself. Having a good idea of who you are, and want to be, will give you an outline of what thoughts are good to nurture. As a rule every thought that helps you achieve your goals is good, everything that frustrates them is bad.

If the above seems a bit abstract to you, here’s an example from papagaai’s article:

If your goal is to have at least 5 kiss-closes with different chicks, in clubs, within the next 30 days, which come forth out of cold-approaches, so that you can get more comfortable with going for the kiss then thinking of her rejecting you because you’re ugly* is a bad thought.

“Easy to say, hard to do..” I hear you say. The most important thing you can teach yourself here is being conscious of your thought. When you think about what you’re thinking, and you know what bad thoughts are, you can change them.

*Incidentally, the number one predictor of self-esteem is the evaluation of one’s looks. Growing positive beliefs about your looks will dramatically increase your confidence. Do whatever it takes to handle your looks if you are unsatisfied with them. It will pay off.

To conclude, when you have more positive thoughts, positive core beliefs about yourself will be the result. You will feel more confident in situations where you would otherwise be lost in negativity and as a result you will grow positive expectations about your environment:

Growing positive expectations

The power of having positive expectations is a much discussed subject in the community. From Napoleon Hill’s “Think and Grow Rich” to Gunwitch’s “make the ho say no” these are examples of how positive expectations can influence your self and others around you.

Having positive expectations will greatly enhance your chances of achieving your goals. You will grow them by knowing who you are and nurturing positive beliefs about yourself first.

- For this post I used the book “Self Esteem – The Puzzle of Low Self Regard” by Baumeister as a guideline. This book is a collection of academic papers on self esteem and is a very interesting read.

2006-04-06T18:19:00.000-07:00

How Can You Be One of the Successful Pick Up Artists

Thursday, March 23, 2006
How Can You Be One of the Successful Pick Up Artists
I'm off to Los Angeles for an exclusive 1on1 bootcamp. But before I go, I thought I'd drop a few thoughts on why so few people actually succeed at this endeavor.

While attraction, seduction and picking up girls isn't a rocket science, it CAN be a difficult endeavor. People who get into the Game can usually be divided into two groups: guys who didn't develop those social, flirting and sexual skills at an early age and are finding out that they have to compress some ten years of social education and emotional intelligence into just a few years to those guys who DID develop those skills, but want MORE of an edge with women.

Primarily, I'm going to be addressing the former group.

There's a concept called the 90/10 rule (or 80/20 rule) where 10% of the people do 90% of the work. Or in the field of dating, 10% of the male population are "servicing" 90% of the single (and sometimes not so single) female population.

This can also be applied to PUAs (Pick Up Artists) and KJs (Keyboard Jockeys). Sadly, the majority of people who TRY and get into this game simply end up being the 90% keyboard jockeys with their only goal to engage in mental masturbation. The few 10% of the PUAs who do go out, only a few them will actually achieve their goals.

What does it take for a wannabe PUA to last the (minimum) 2 years to become an AVERAGE Pick Up Artist? I'm going to list certain points that I think are key that helps these guys last long enough in the Game to succeed.

Realizing You Have a Problem - This is a toughie. No one likes to admit that they have a problem. No one especially likes to admit that they have problems with women because society TELLS MEN that it's supposed to be NATURAL. That women will simply FALL INTO YOUR LAP like mana from heaven. Which is a bunch of crock, but it's what society programs into us. And the first step is admitting to yourself that your dating lifestyle isn't what you want it to be. If you don't have a problem, then you're one of the few quasi-naturals who are in to the Game who want BETTER results as opposed to RESULTS. Congrats, now move along because this isn't meant for you guys.
Comfort Zone and Change - or more specifically, the willingness to step OUT of their comfort zone. Seduction isn't logical, it isn't intuitive to most guys, and guys make the same mistakes over and over agin with women. The venues that have the highest concentrations of hotties (night venues) are also intimidating, emotional and hostile. It takes a certain hardened mindset and determination to inure the pain of going beyond what one is comfortable with. It's like that first time you went to college. Sure it was kind of scary venturing to a different state or country, but you have to do it in order to grow as a person and get your Pick Up Degree.
Determination/Discipline - in order to last, you have to go out and practice. Constantly. Every week. Every weekend. One night a week barely cuts it (though it depends on where you're starting off at too). If you're at the newbie stage of still having approach anxiety when it comes to women, allot at least 3 nights a week. Regularly and consistently you have to push yourself and maintain a schedule that still allows you to go out, date women while juggling your career.
Learning Ability - this can actually be a double edged sword. Too much thinking and reading leads inevitably to Analysis Paralysis. Learn the material and theory, yes. Absorb it like a SPONGE because there are SO many different styles out there that you have to select and choose what you want to incorporate into your own unique skillset and lifestyle. But don't let it overpower you in the field with all that theory.
Killer Instinct - the more I teach guys, and especially Asian guys, the more I realize the need for men to have that Killer Instinct. That visceral reaction in a man that says, "I SHALL succeed. I SHALL overcome. NOTHING AND NO ONE WILL STOP ME." It's that thing inside you that says, "Whoa, this fool just tried to AMOG (Alpha Male Other Group) me" but instead of shying away from confrontation, responds with, "He's going DOWN!" It's that athletic love of competition, when two teams face each other on the battlefield and who channel the nervousness, anxiety, and fear into adrenaline and LOVE of the competition and LOVE of the Game.
Time Dedication - it takes, on average, TWO YEARS for someone to become a COMPETENT (not good, but average) PUA. That's right, TWO WHOLE YEARS. Or, if you want to reframe it, it takes you two years to get your Bachelor's of Pick Up Artist Degree. In order to get your Master's, you need probably four years of training, education and field work. Obviously, your mileage may vary depending on where you are in life and how much time you can devote to it, but Pick Up is NOT a magic pill. You won't become good overnight. It takes time, dedication, and determination to stick it out through thick and thin.
Love of the Game - and what can help you last is the Love of the Game. That feeling of ENJOYMENT when it comes to flirting, socializing, seducing and sarging. That RUSH when a set goes well. That feeling of contenment when you're out with your friends and simply ENJOYING the moment, the environment, but most of all, the PEOPLE.
Dealing with Failure - successful people and PUAs can't dwell on failure. Learn from it. Think about it after coming home from the field. Ruminate on it. Let it marinate for a minute. Wallow in the rejection. Even EMBRACE it. VENT if you have to. Then... DISCARD IT. You've learned, you're still alive, it's time to move on. Never dwell on failure, just on what YOU CAN DO BETTER.

Well, that's it for now. It isn't an exhaustive list by far, but I believe these are some very essential qualities that a burgeoning PUA should have. I've seen a lot of newbies get all excited that they can now successful attract and date women, only to be flustered by how much hard, constant work it is... like exercising.

Most newbies gowere on that HONEYMOON period after a bootcamp where they can SEE that social programming and the "Code of the Matrix" that underlies every male/female interaction, the rules of attraction and why they are the where they are. But after a month or three, they drop out because they can't take the lifestyle, the time committment, and the harshness of reality.

Do you have what it takes to succeed?

How To Tell If She's Interested

2006-03-14T17:40:00.000-08:00

We forget the simple fundamentals.. and here they are again..

By simply seeing that you engage her and she engages you..

Dating Tips: How To Tell If She's Interested

-By David DeAngelo

OK, I have a quick trick question for you.

That's right, I said a quick TRICK question.

How can you tell if a woman is interested in you?

Answer quickly.

So what gives?

Why am I asking you a trick question?

Simple.

Because I'm trying to make you THINK.

I'm sure that, just like me, you've read a hundred dating tips and articles that say things like:

"If she tilts her head to one side and strokes her neck, that's a sign of interest..."

"If she licks her lips in a longing fashion, that means she's interested in you..."

"If she laughs a lot, makes positive eye contact, and touches you often, then she likes you..."

DUH!

I remember when I first read all this stuff.

I thought to myself "Wow, cool! I must have been missing these hints because I didn't know to look for them. Now I'll know when a woman is interested in me...".

Well, there was ONE SMALL problem...

The problem is that women display these MAJOR INTEREST signals in about 1 of 1,000 interactions with men...

And there was one BIG problem...

That problem was that none of the damn dating tips I read said a single thing about "how to MAKE women give you these signals."

In other words, what I realized is that average guys like me who don't get "approached" by women need to learn not only WHAT to look for, but, more importantly, how to actually CREATE ATTRACTION in women so they GAVE me these signals in the FIRST PLACE.

So let me share with you some dating tips on how to MAKE women feel ATTRACTION for you... and then I'll share some ideas on what to LOOK FOR to tell if a woman is interested.

And my ideas will be a WEEEEEE BIT different than the ones you read in your flirting books.

OK, so you're out at a bar with a few friends, and it's time to meet some interesting women.

You look around, and none of the hot young babes in there seem to be tilting their heads to one side, looking you in the eye, and licking their lips... so you decide to DO SOMETHING.

What do most guys do in this situation?

Either:

1) Nothing, because they're scared, or...
2) Something typical, like ask a girl to dance, or if he can buy her a drink.

If you're guilty of doing these, raise your hand. Then take your raised hand, and slap yourself silly. Not too hard. But silly.

Here's a thought for you...

If you put 100 guys in a bar with one beautiful women sitting alone, and you say to all 100 of the guys "Hey guys, which one of you can walk over to that woman and do something to make that woman feel a SEXUAL ATTRACTION for you?"... I'd say that if you're LUCKY, one of them will claim that he can do it.

In other words, for most guys, the idea of walking up to a girl they don't know and doing something that will TRIGGER an attraction is completely outside of their universe.

This is one of the reasons why guys do things like asking girls to dance, buying them drinks, etc.

Now, something you must understand when it comes to women and ATTRACTION is that women don't feel ATTRACTION for WUSSIES.

ATTRACTION isn't a CHOICE.

It isn't logical (at least, on the surface).

But once you start to "get it", everything changes. Your entire perspective changes once you "get it", and your results change instantly as well.

So here's a dating tip for you to try:

MESS WITH WOMEN.

That's right "mess with" them.

Tease.

Bust on.

Be difficult.

Why?

Because it INSTANTLY communicates that:

1) You could care less what she thinks of you.
2) You're a fun person.
3) You're unpredictable.
4) You're a bit of a "wild card"
5) You GET IT.

Now, you might be shaking your head right now and saying "That's doesn't make any sense. Why would a woman feel attracted to me if I mess with her instead of being nice?".

That's a good question.

But for now, take the hand that you slapped yourself with earlier, and slap yourself again.

Good.

I want you to STOP following your "be nice and kiss ass" instincts when you first meet a woman, and instead practice MESSING WITH HER.

Make fun of something.

Go to hand her something, then pull it away at the last second.

Shake your head in despair and tell her that she's screwing up her chances with you.

Say something Cocky & Funny, then turn around and walk away before she can respond to your face.

Can ya feel me, dog?

Now the good stuff...

HOW TO TELL IF SHE'S INTERESTED

Well this is what you were looking for, so here it is...

I'm going to give you a stupid-proof formula for knowing whether or not a woman is interested in you.

Here it is:

1) You engage her.

2) She engages you back.

Yes, that's it. Please stop the applause long enough that I can finish. You can clap later.

I know that this sounds a little "Duh-ish", but stay with me here.

If I walk into a restaurant, and the hostess asks me how many are in my party, and I answer with "Well, there are three of us. I guess there will be FOUR if YOU join us..." and she laughs at my joke, then IT'S ON!

If I'm standing at the bar, and the woman next to me bumps into my arm, and I turn and say "Hey, watch it, OK? Keep some space here, I need at least a foot of room..." in a serious tone of voice... and she starts playing along by smiling and moving away from me then back again playfully, then IT'S ON!

If I'm talking to a woman that I met at the magazine rack, and I ask her "What's with that huge purse of yours? You got a dog in there or something?" and she starts laughing and making excuses, then IT'S ON!

In a nutshell, what I'm trying to say is:

1) Stop looking around for signals from women that they're "interested" in you.

2) Stop CARING whether or not a particular woman is interested in you.

3) Instead, start TRIGGERING the interest, and watching to see if women ENGAGE. If they do, then assume that IT'S ON!

As long as you use how she's responding to what YOU do as your gauge, then you'll have a MUCH easier time spotting the "she wants me" clues...

...Because YOU ARE THE ONE CAUSING THEM.

Now...

Making them 'Open Up' and making them 'Qualify'..

2005-11-13T08:37:00.000-08:00

SC talks about getting an HB to open up with one line.. and at the same time making them qualify themselves with simple 'disbelief' & 'disapproval' statements..

....

So she starts giving me a haircut and I ask "What's your favorite poison?" and she goes on and on abt alcohol and her experiences. Sometimes, just one line is all it takes to open someone up. I am starting to realize that....

Prominent qualifiers: 1. "Bullshit, you are just talking out of your butt!"
2. "No way. I don't believe you"
3. " Really, fuck, why am I even talking to you!"
4. "Now I am never coming back here."

These are so fuckin powerful. Try them. They make anyone start qualifying themselves. It's like Wazzup telling SC that she's a 5 (HBHooters)!!!! SC has to qualify....lol....Fuck you Wazzup, I'll shoot you for saying she's a 5!!! I'm a fuckin ace at shooting incase you didn't know....

Hmm.. Quite interesting.. but to 'disbelieve' them you have to have them OPEN UP and give you something that you can disbelieve..

Vibing With Beautiful Women

2005-10-13T16:23:00.000-07:00

RSD Newsletter -
Vibing With Beautiful Women - October 13, 2005

That topic is VIBING with beautiful women.

I get letters ALL THE TIME asking me to elaborate on this
subject, as it is widely misunderstood. So with that in mind, I
thought I'd do just that.

What is vibing? Well, it has several different definitions. Some
call it "fluff talk," and consider it to be no better than
filler between canned routines.

Well, there is that aspect to it, and we'll discuss that at
length. But there is a deeper, more ephemeral meaning to it as
well.

It is a well-documented fact that verbal communication comprises
only a small fraction of your communication as a whole. In
reality, we communicate mostly through non-verbal means, the so-
called "channels of subcommunication." Vibing, while having a
verbal component to it, also subcommunicates many different
things.

A large part of social intelligence is the ability to speak in
this "vibe subcommunication." And the only way to improve this
intelligence and understanding is through massive repetition
of social interaction.

This is why we always say THE FIELD IS KING.

People without field experience frequently miscalibrate the vibes
they are sending out. A lot of times, guys will go miscalibrate
their sexual vibe, and consequently come across as "creepy" or
"weird."

These are the guys who will start touching the girl too much and
too early, or too little and too late, and the pickup ends up
going nowhere. But as they gain field experience, they begin to
get a better understanding of the correct way to synchronize
with the vibe.

Sometimes, even guys with field experience can find it difficult
to catch the vibe and sync up with it. They will refer to this
as "having an off night" or "stalling out" where they can't think
of anything to say.

Typically, this is caused by filters of insecurity in the guy's
head, that have been installed over the years as defense
mechanisms against ego bruising.

I've talked about these before. Some examples of filters of
insecurity: self-monitoring, not existing in the present moment,
a need to impress others, paranoia, etc.

If these things aren't shut off, it becomes nearly impossible to
vibe dynamically in set. The entire pickup will seem stilted
and awkward.

As I said, even more experienced guys can succumb to these from
time to time. After all, these filters result from YEARS and
YEARS of negative societal conditioning, and they can't be
expected to go quietly into the night just because you've got
a few sets under your belt.

Fortunately, there are ways to defend against them.

Humor is a great way to shake off those filters and start living
in the moment. Joking around with your bros in the club, just
generally clowning around and having a good time, is almost
guaranteed to change your state.

Another tactic I use is the "warmup set." Like, when I first
enter the club, I'll approach several sets of girls I couldn't
care less about sleeping with. This helps me get into a talkative
mood where I'm more externally centered, and as such able to
pick up on the vibe better.

Now that we've discussed the more esoteric aspects of vibing,
let's get down to brass tacks and examine some of the
technical nuts and bolts.

As I said above, many guys have a problem vibing because they
simply "run out of things to say." This is caused by, again, a
lack of experience, or in some cases, an over-reliance on
routines and canned material.

A couple points to remember: Don't talk about any one thing too
long, and try to smoothly segue from one topic to the next.
Understand that the whole "vibing" process is largely one of
topic association.

One thing that will help you out is to go and challenge yourself
in any conversation to find either a story or interesting bit of
information about the topic at hand.

A great exercise is to playthe association game, where I'd say
the word "elephant" and you'd have to come up with a story that
relates to this.

Now, you could be thinking, "there's nothing that relates to
elephants." My friend, that's a limiting belief if I've ever
heard one. Let's see off the top of my head, there's "elephant,
ivory, Africa, hunting, tusks, zoos, and big wild animals."

Now, if you can't think of anything to say relating to these
topics, then you need to work on your creative capabilities.
That's one reason why people like aritists, musicians, writers
and actors are so good at the game because they have wildly
creative minds. They can talk about things for hours - you must
understand that women love men with something to say.

Anyway, as you converse with the girl, be aware of all the
potential topics you could spin off, and try to be aware of the
ones that will serve your needs best, i.e. the ones that will
direct the conversation towards themes of sexuality, connection,
etc.

Another crucial aspect of vibing is that of TIMING.

Some comment that might be incredibly powerful or hilarious at
one point might be totally worthless even five seconds later.

Sometimes, guys will latch onto some topic the girl is discussing
because he has a great remark, and then they'll basically stop
listening to what the girl's saying, because he's just waiting
for a break in the convo so he can unleash his little witticism.

You have to understand that a spontaneous, relevant comment will
always be more powerful than a great comment that's past it's
shelf life. One big breakthrough for me was learning that, if
I had some great comment and the person kept talking and moved
on to a different subject, it was best to just let it go.

This can be hard, especially when you have a KILLER comment. But
it must be done if you want to keep in sync with the vibe.
Otherwise, you end up looking try-hard and low value.

Use your vibing skills wisely. Always consciously steer the
conversation away from negative topics like war, or politics,
or your grandmother's anal warts, and towards the themes I
mentioned before that will put the girl into the state you want
her to be in.

Remember, vibing is your most potent weapon in your arsenal of
conversational skills. Take pains to develop it through diligent
fieldwork, and you will reap the benefits. It will take some
time.

I need to pick Juggler and this newsletter to figure out my VIBE..

Pick Up Frames: What's your mindset?

2005-10-12T10:27:00.000-07:00

An interesting post on what mindsets we have when we go out and sarge..

Pick Up Frames

Contributed by setarcos
Saturday, 27 August 2005
Written by Cramias
Monday, 31 January 2005

I gave a long presentation on the concept of frames and how they affect you as you progress up the learning curve at the last Tucson lair meeting. I got a few PMs that this was a useful thing for people, so I am posting a general outline of what I talked about. I don't have a great deal of time so this is not very well organized. If parts of this post are confusing, just point them out and I will attempt to clarify. I'd also be interested in hearing anyone's thoughts or feedback about this stuff, even if it is on the negative side.

Background-Around April of this year, I hit a "wall" of sorts and stopped going out entirely for 3-4 weeks. Prior to this, I was out in the field frequently, and was breaking through barriers that had kept me stuck for years. So this was an extremely frustrating obstacle to run into. One day I took the time to analyze why I had stopped, and break down in my journal what the difference was between the times I was rocking with the PUA material, and the times when I was experiencing a lot of frustration and deadends. What emerged from this was a delineation of different seduction frames. Since I started thinking along these lines, I have found it much easier to keep myself motivated, and spring back quickly from setbacks. I have made an absolutely unbelievable amount of progress in the last 3 months, and I attribute it partially to my understanding of frames.

Framing is not a new concept, of course. However, most of what has been written about frames with regards to seduction revolves around the frames you set with the girl you are interacting with. What I am referring to in this specific post is the frame you set between you and the science of seduction. The attitude and approach you take towards learning the Venusian Arts. It makes things massively easier and FASTER if you take a useful frame towards seduction, and more importantly, avoid "trap frames." What I've found is that when I've had an off night, I can almost always boil it down into having fallen into one of the trap frames. Even more usefully, when I am having an off night, I can sometimes take a few minutes to figure out which unuseful frame I've fallen into, and often reset from the trap frame to the right frame in the field. It is a very helpful tool in my experience.

So following are the notes that I used to make my presentation to the lair. I don't claim to be any sort of expert, this is just stuff that I've noticed within my own field experience, and that I find useful in dealing with my own inner game issues. The trap frames come first, followed at the end by what I believe to be the most useful frame.RESULTS FRAME
"I'm going to go out and get 5 numbers/make out with a girl/get laid tonight."

Leads to skipping skill building steps (ie, so focused on getting a kiss that you fail to lay proper groundwork that will actually lead to a kiss, and instead creep a girl out by phaseshifting too soon)
Leads to inflexibility (what happens if you go out with a goal of getting phone numbers, and meet a girl who wants a fuck that night?)
Count yourself out of opportunities for practice, that might even lead to something worthwhile (ie "she's a bitch" "she's too ugly" "she's with that guy, its her BF")
If you have a basic, low-percentage skillset, say PUing girls from the dancefloor, you may fall into the trap of just reusing it over and over (because it does get SOME results, and you are focused on results), instead of taking the time to develop a more complex and ultimately more complete skillset
Can be extremely frustrating and demoralizing if you are setting goals that are unrealistic given your current skills

FUN FRAME
"I'm going to go out and have fun, and maybe something will happen" -Very common AFC frame for going to bars, because it is socially acceptable and requires no thought

Noniniative, require the girls or circumstance to make things happen
Gives the selection power to the girls
Ultimately spend majority of time talking to your social circle friends and on "death row" (death row = look around typical bar, and you will see many males standing around with their drinks in the defensive position. All of these guys are thinking "maybe if I stand here long enough, something will happen.")
Usually I drink too much when I find myself falling into this frame
If you want results, you MUST make things happen
This is a chick frame, and one that there is a lot of social programming for men to accept (ie just be yourself). Men are expected to initiate, so girls can pull this frame off. It doesn't work for guys.

EXTERNAL VALIDATION FRAME
"If other people think I am a PUA, then I am a PUA."

Basically, it is looking to gain other's validation for your skills, rather than measuring your skills by the responses and results you get, and by the progress you make through your sticking points.
Leads to being bold instead of confident (can say something really bold and it will impress a guy, but won't get you shit for results with the girl)
Also, can lead to not following through on prospects after the first night
How to tell if you are falling into this frame: find yourself qualifying yourself to wings, if you do approaches because the set is in front of others, if you get off on AFCs complimenting your PU skills or get nervous when you are around a PUA who you perceive as more skilled than you, if you use the phrases "I'm tired, this bar sucks, I never do well at X-Bar, I'm drunk, I'm not on tonight, I'm not feeling it tonight"

SELF-VALIDATION FRAME
"I'm good at this"

Ego Protection mechanism.
Once you've reached a certain level of competence, you will most likely have an image of yourself as being good with women. This is useful for generating confidence, but it can also lead to a rather subtle trap.
I find that when I am feeling really arrogant and confident about my skills, I will often go out and do VERY FEW approaches. This baffled me when I first ran into it. Eventually, I figured out that the self-image I had was over-important to me, and I was concerned about putting that image on the line and possibly having a set that destroyed that image (and destroyed my confidence by proxy)
This is also the frame that keeps people stuck in keyboard jockey-dom. They read all this brilliant shit online, and say "now that I know all of this, I will do amazingly well with girls." Then they get out in the field and are unwilling to try anything cause they don't want to jeapordize their new self-image.
This is also the frame that leads to SPs-getting stuck at the same point in your game over and over. Relate to self-current biggest SP is kino. I've realized that I keep getting stuck here because I hate the idea of destroying attraction/creeping a girl out because my kino skills are not yet smooth. I have good verbal skills, and it feels validating that I can generate attraction so quickly (especially given my background of scarcity/poverty with women). I am reluctant to give up the validation that I am getting by rolling out a new skillset that is not polished yet.
Easiest way out of this frame is to realize that 1-You have to be bad before you can be good (videogame metaphor), and 2-Confidence really comes from the belief that you are DESERVING of the PUA lifestyle, even if your skills are not yet that polished. Even a flawed diamond is a precious thing. Eradicate the competence = confidence meme from your head.

SAFETY FRAME
"I'll try this stuff, but I'm only going to do techniques that feel 'safe' to me."

Failure to expand comfort zone
Leads to different behaviors depending on your skill level- Only doing social circle sarging; only doing "normal" approaches like "Hi how are you?"; Using the AFC Questions Routine (what do you do, where you from, etc) to try to make the girl do the work for you; not doing approaches in front of people you know or old sets; Only approaching Bs or UGs; not doing kino, feeling that you NEED a wing with you; avoiding the hi-stimulus venues in favor of smaller places; ejecting too early; Approaching only all-female sets; not doing the AMOG material
A larger pattern I've seen is that a lot of people, when they first start this stuff, will say that they are looking for techniques/routines/etc that "fit their style." The problem with this approach to seduction is that transformation and a change of identity is essentially the core of becoming a PUA. If you are not willing to experiment with unfamiliar styles, then you will see only incremental changes in your results rather than dramatic ones.
Reframe: When I read some technique that sound like it won't work, I get EXCITED. Because if the person who posted it is a good PUA, it generally means that they are operating on some level of awareness that is not yet on my radar. And I know that if I go out and try the technique (and give it a fair shake, not just do it once or twice and give up), I am very likely to reach some new level of understanding myself.

THE RIGHT FRAME

The right frame for me is the **LEARNING FRAME**
Focus on building your skillset...results will come as a byproduct of this mindset
Focus on getting outside of your comfort zone and learning NEW skills. What have you never tried to do? Go do it.
Have a willingness to experiment with things that sound a bit off. Realize that with each new skill, there will be a period of adjustment in which the results you get will be all over the map. Your game has to be sloppy before it can be tight.
Allows you to not attach much importance to any one outcome. A byproduct of this is that the process becomes REALLY fun. Its hard to get frustrated when you don't really care what happens, as long as you are trying.
This mindset completely eliminates the existence of failure. If your goal is to range one specific routine (for example), then as long as you have deployed the routine, you have succeeded, regardless of the response. You should still be paying attention to the response though. With the learning frame, every "rejection" is automatically reframed as a rejection of your use of your skillset in this particular instance, NOT a rejection of you as a person. The only way to fail is to not try.
One caveat. If you are correctly using the learning frame, you should be trying your level best with every single set. If you are giving less than 100% effort in a set, the feedback you get is going to be inaccurate. You will be unable to judge whether the poor response was due to an integral flaw in the techniques you were using, or due to the way you used them. If you are going to use the learning frame, you have to commit to putting forth your best possible effort every time.

Is it possible to have a better mindset more TUNED to You..personally than the mindsets that other people go out with.. your friends, wings and other PU gurus.

What To Do When She LIKES You... How To Not Screw Up

2005-10-11T18:52:00.000-07:00

David D on "What To Do When She LIKES You... How To Not Screw Up"

***QUESTION FROM A READER***

Dave,

I've become a very generous guy lately. To all my male friends, I'm giving them the gift of your newsletter. To all my females, I'm giving the gift of missing me.

I'm a recovering wuss. I took a few months off of women and worked on my inner game, with great results. I've started talking to new women again, along with old girlfriends. I find that when the c/f (Cocky & Funny) starts rolling, or even just my newfound confidence, I often get a lot of compliments. What's the best way to deal with a girl coming out and saying "oh, you're so cute/funny/etc..."? Should I ignore it and keep the c/f going? Should I address it in a cocky way? I'm assuming that graciously accepting the compliment is never the right answer...

What would you say to a girl who compliments you directly? (other than "Do you do third input?") What would your tone/body language/eye contact be like?

-J.M.
>From new hampshire, where men are men, women are few, and sheep are nervous.

David D. >>>MY COMMENTS:

You know, this really is a great question.

One of the most important things to understand as a man is what to do when things are WORKING... so you don't SCREW IT UP!

If you use the materials that you're learning from me, you will start to have a magical thing happen more and more often... women will start to do and say things that clearly indicate that they LIKE you.

Sometimes is will be a touch, sometimes a compliment, and sometimes a smile. But these things WILL happen more and more as you get better and better.

I always laugh to myself when I bust a woman's chops really hard, and she laughs and says "You're so funny!" or "You really are good!" etc.

I still shake my head and wonder why the hell it took me so long to figure this stuff out. But I digress... you know, while I'm digressing, what's with you ending your email with:

">From new hampshire, where men are men, women are few, and sheep are nervous."

...?!

This is probably the third or fourth time that I've seen this at the end of an email. Tell me the truth... do chicks dig this? You're making me nervous, man. Keep the sheep talk on the DL, OK?

Uncool.

Now, when a woman does something that signals "I like you", it is VITALLY important that you:
1) Know how to recognize it
2) DON'T do what MOST guy do
3) DO the right thing, and AMPLIFY it

So how can you tell if a woman is doing something that says "I like you"? Well, it's VERY important to remember that women are far more "subtle" than men (most of the time, that is). If a man is interested in a woman, you can see it all over his face. It's usually very obvious.

But women are different. Women do SMALL things. A little touch. A sly smile. Sometimes a comment like "You're so cute" (as in your example above).

But then IT'S GONE.

Women always seem to act like they're not quite sure. They don't send consistent signals that most men can "read". And when they DO send signals that are easy to see, most guys respond in a way that makes those signals stop... which makes things even MORE confusing. Again, women aren't as CONSISTENT as men. A woman can seem like she's interested one minute, then stand-offish the next.

So rule #1 is:

JUST BECAUSE SHE'S DOING SOMETHING THAT SAYS "I LIKE YOU", DON'T THINK THAT IT MEANS "I LIKE YOU NO MATTER WHAT".

Much better to interpret subtle "I like you" cues as "I like you for a second, but if you start acting like a Wuss Bag or Dumb Ass, it will all be over in an instant".

Unfortunately for most guys, they take "I like you" signals to mean "You've won my approval, now you can do whatever you want". And what do they do? Of course... They turn into dorks, say or do a few stupid things, and destroy it all. Oh, how many times I've watched guys (myself included) screw up perfectly good situations because they just didn't get this concept.

Let me give you an example.

Let's say that you're out with a woman, and you've been teasing her, and she smiles and says "I like you". A typical "male" response is for a guy to think to himself "OK, I'm in... she digs me" and to get that rush in the head and chest. Next thing you know, he's acting different. He's talking about different things. He's giving compliments.

He's being "nicer".

And what's the woman thinking while this is all going on? Of course... she's thinking "Uh oh, his cool, calm, interesting personality was just a cover for the secret inner-Wuss that was hiding out, waiting for a little bit of approval from me... AHHHHHH!"

Women KNOW that they're in control of the situation. Or at least MOST of the time they are... and they THINK that they are even during the times when they're not. They're constantly using different kinds of communication to test and "feel out" the situation. Remember, MOST of the time when you're saying something that you think is nice, charming, and original, it's something that a woman has heard about 47 times that week from other guys.

Us guys act VERY predictably most of the time.

And women know how to tell if you're just another loser who's pretending to be cool... who will turn into an average Wuss at the first sign of attraction from a cute woman.

Think about what I just said.

This is hard for a lot of guys to swallow... but it's the reality of the situation. There's something that women call "Sexual Tension". It's also known as "Chemistry" or "Attraction" as well. But only WOMEN know it this way. When you tease a woman, make her laugh, play hard to get with her, act unpredictably, etc. in the right way, you will create this tension. This is what usually leads to a woman saying something like "You're cute" or "I like you".

It's the TENSION that makes her FEEL it and SAY it.

THE TENSION!

In these very special moments, you need to turn the tension UP. Dial it up. AMPLIFY it. Don't diffuse it all by saying "You're cute yourself" or "I like you, too". Or by smiling like a jackass wussy dork who has just seen his first rainbow. This kind of thing RELEASES the tension, and it usually takes that wonderful electric attraction feeling that the woman is feeling and INSTANTLY kills it.

Does this make logical sense?

Hell no.

But it's what happens.

OK, so let's talk about the RIGHT way to handle this type of situation. Remember when I said that it's the TENSION that makes a woman feel the feelings and make the comments? And that you need to AMPLIFY it when you're getting a positive response?

Nice.

Once upon a time, there was a scene in a movie that illustrated this concept PERFECTLY. In fact, it might be the all-time greatest example of this principle that has ever been recorded on film. Remember the end of "The Empire Strikes Back" when they were about to put Han Solo into the deep freeze?

Remember when Leia said "I love you"...?

Remember what Han said?

Right, he said... "I know".

Perfect.

All of the sexual tension that built up in Star Wars and Empire culminated in Leia confessing her love. And Han says "I know".

Awesome!

Imagine being Leia. What could be going through her mind at this point? An answer like this isn't easy to understand. It has all kinds of implications.

It's confusing.

It says "I know you love me, because it's been obvious for a long time...". But it doesn't let HER know how he feels exactly. It requires consideration. It dials up the tension. It's amazing. By the way, I read that when they were filming that scene Han was supposed to answer "I love you too", but the director didn't like it. They tried all kinds of things, and in the end Harrison Ford made up that line on the spot in one of the takes... and they kept it. Nice. By the way, one of the BIG reasons why the newer movies in the Star Wars series suck is because there is no
character like Han... think about it. It's all boring, predictable stuff. There's no sexy, arrogant, funny, wildcard personality messing things up.

Like I pointed out after I saw "Attack Of The Clones", Anakin had to kill an ENTIRE VILLAGE of Sand People just to convince Princess A. that he wasn't a complete and total Wuss. Would have been so much easier and more entertaining if he would have just had a PERSONALITY.

Whatever.

Now where was I...?

Oh, yea... amplifying the sexual tension...

If you're out with a woman, and you tease her because she's wearing four inch heels by saying "What's the deal, are you four feet tall without those one?", and she opens her mouth with the classic "Oh no you didn't" look (smiling of course, with that surprised smile)... and you dial it up to the next level with "Oh, I'm sorry... Four foot three?"... and she hits you on the arm...

...and then she stops, puts her hand on your arm, and says "You know, you're funny"...

...what do you do?

YOU SAY "YEA, I KNOW" – in a serious tone.

Or "Don't try to use compliments to make me like you. It won't work. Go buy me a drink or something... I prefer gifts and money." Or look down at her hand on your arm, lean back slightly, turn your head, and put your eyebrows together as if to say "Just WHAT do you think you're doing touching me?!".

TURN IT UP, my friend!

You TURN UP the tension.

AMPLIFY it.

Keep it going.

If you keep amplifying the tension and attraction at each of these wonderful moments, good things will happen.

Good stuff.

Hmm.. so lets see what we learn from this one?

Laws of Attraction and Energy play

2005-10-02T09:13:00.000-07:00

A brief note about Wazzup and how his 'change in energy' and 'vibe' had caused others to change their perspectives towards him. Quite interesting.

Laws of Attraction and Energy play

Guys!!

Last couple of weeks have been so funny for me. Let me start from my # collection binge then deciding that I do not want to continue this lifestyle and thinking about marriage.

This was sometime back and I had a chat with Bods as well about this. Now, what I am going to say might come of as fiction to some of you guys ... believe you me ... I would have thought the same if It wasn't happening with me.

Since, I have thought of settling down I have been getting subtle overtures from women about marriage with them but last week it completely went wild on email/in person/on phone. I was proposed marriage by number of women varying in age from 22 yrs to 28 yrs. I just thought I might share this with you guys.

Hey Bods .... this only goes to prove all the theories I had been talking to you about in energy felid and human mind ... I know from my meditative experience that I have been able to create my reality around me with lot of actual physical action and not day dreaming. This latest one is only a proof for me of my own abilities. In my observation all of us have such massive potential to make our own life more beautiful.

XMLE ... this is exactly what I told you when we had a chat (i.e. when I was in Hawaii) now you are only reaping the benefits of the new way of thinking. MIND ... has limit less potential, only needs fine-tuning and creativity. Our ancient scholars knew this but modern science only contradicts that.

Hence, as a philosophy I combine best of the two. My rant here is not about PU per-se but our own potential, which we do not recognize and use, in real life. We go thru the same rut without thinking and questioning our own action as to the reason of that thinking and action.

I will stop here as this will go into a massive tailspin, which is not for this board.

Have fun,
Wazzup

Maybe I need to start learning meditation..

Interesting NLP breakdown of SmoothOperators Direct FR by Wazzup

2005-09-10T11:59:00.000-07:00

FR: Direct number success

smoothoperator
Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2005 7:15 pm Post subject:
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Sorry wazzup I keep things brief for the Badboy forums as their mostly interested in openers and natural stuff.

The fluff about holidays and themes of excitement conversation was something along the lines of:

"Yeah travelling is so exciting...Its like an adventure. You know just the thought of knowing that I will be travelling to another country excites and arouses me... and once you get their its like you've satisfied the longing.

The pattern I got from you was something to do about it being hot in London and how one can descrbe this experience. I've adapted it although I didn't use any embedded commands. Something on the lines of:

"You know Barcelona is so different to England. Here things wind down about 12-1 am but over there people come out to eat and drink. And me and my friends would walk around the city at night and basically it was like a city that never sleeps. And during the day it would be hot, but we could still feel a cool breeze against our skin, and we just felt safe to know that we could enjoy ourselves and be in the moment... because you just don't know what is going to happen tomorrow. And I don't know what it is like with you... but I can't imagine a better way fo spending you're holidays than those who are closest too you..."

Thanks,

SO

wazzup
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LOL ... Now that rings a bell and bro ... you used lot of embedded commands from the pattern ... here is the break down for your benefit ... don't use things blindly

1. We just feel safe --- command for the girls subsconscious that she is safe with me.
2. ---- So safe that one can be in the moment (pacing and leadin twice over) and that can be enjoyable to be with me and free to be herself.
3. Will happen tom or not ---- leading to the intrigue and mystery being, me not available tom ie opportunity does not wait and I am an opportunity.
4. Last line is putting myself/yourself in her friends comfort zone.

So lot of embedded command ... mate.

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smoothoperator
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Thanks for the pattern breakdown and explanations of each bit wazzup. I appreciate it!

Pretty cool!

What It Feels Like. . . To Pick Up Britney Spears

2005-08-04T08:25:00.000-07:00

I saw Style at the Cliffslist Seminar weekend in Montreal.. all-around fantastic guy.

Anyway, here's the article:

What It Feels Like
. . . To Pick Up Britney Spears

by Neil Strauss, 31, Writer Aug 01 '05

For two years, journalist Neil Strauss went undercover in a secret society of pickup artists for a book, The Game (ReganBooks). It is a world with its own code of conduct, its own language, and its own celebrities. An AFC—pickup-artist jargon for an average frustrated chump, a loser with women—Strauss was taken under the wings of the most powerful pickup artists in the world, who gave him a new name and transformed him into one of them. After more than a year of "sarging" (picking up women), he was named the best pickup artist in the community. In the following excerpt adapted from his book, he describes what it feels like to take on the most challenging quarry of them all.

AFTER EIGHTEEN MONTHS in the seduction community, not only had my dating life improved exponentially, so had my professional life. The skills I had amassed approaching over a thousand women in bars and clubs made me a much better interviewer. I discovered just how good when I was assigned an article on Britney Spears.

I didn't plan to sarge her. But she left me no choice.

"Was there a lot of pressure on you while making this album?"

Britney Spears: "What, now?"

"Was there pressure from yourself or the label to have a major hit this time around?"

"I have no idea."

"You have no idea?"

"I have no idea."

"I heard you did a track with the DFA that wasn't included on your new CD. Why was that?"

"What's the DFA?"

"They're two producers from New York, James Murphy and Tim Goldsworthy, who call themselves the DFA. Does that ring a bell?"

"Yeah, maybe they did something."

The interview was going nowhere. She was on autopilot. I looked at her, crossing her legs and fidgeting on the hotel-room couch next to me. She didn't give a shit. I was just an amount of time blocked off on her calendar, and she was tolerating it—poorly.

Her hair was tucked under a white Kangol hat and her thighs pushed at the seams of her faded blue jeans. She was one of the most desired women in the world. But in person, she looked like a corn-fed southern sorority girl. She had a beautiful face, lightly and perfectly touched with makeup, but there was something masculine about her. As a sexual icon, she was unintimidating and, I imagined, lonely.

A gear slammed down in my head.

There was only one way to save this interview: I had to sarge her. No matter what country I was in or what age or class or race of woman I was talking to, the game always worked. Besides, I had nothing to lose.

I folded my list of questions and put them in my back pocket. I had to treat her like any club girl with attention deficit disorder.

The first move was to hook her attention.

"I'll tell you something about yourself that other people probably don't know," I began. "People sometimes see you as shy or bitchy offstage, even though you aren't."

"Totally," she said.

"Do you want to know why?"

"Yeah." I was creating what's called a yes-ladder, capturing her attention by asking questions that require an obvious affirmative answer.

"I'm watching your eyes when you talk. And every time you think, they go down and to the left. That means you're a kinesthetic person. You're someone who lives in her feelings."

"Oh my God," she said. "That's totally true."

Of course it was. It was one of the value-demonstrating routines I'd developed in the community. The eye goes to one of seven different positions when someone thinks: Each position means the person is accessing a different part of their brain.

There is a simple structure most women must be led through.

First, they must be opened; the ice must be broken in a way that doesn't make them uncomfortable.
Next, a pickup artist needs to demonstrate higher value, to show why he stands out from all the other men a woman has the option of dating.
Once she's convinced, he must build rapport and create a sense of emotional connection.
Only then, at least if he's playing solid game, is it time to make a physical connection.

As I taught Britney how to read different types of eye movements, she clung to every word. Her legs uncrossed and she leaned in toward me.

"I didn't know this," she said. "Who told you this?"

I wanted to tell her, "A secret society of international pickup artists."

"It's something I observed from doing lots of interviews," I answered. "In fact, by watching the direction people's eyes move when they speak, you can tell whether they're telling the truth or not."

"So you're going to know if I'm lying?" She was looking at me entirely differently now. I wasn't a journalist anymore. I was someone she could learn from. I had demonstrated authority over her world, as the father of the seduction industry, Ross Jeffries, once told me.

"I can tell from your eye movements, from your eye contact, from the way you speak, and from your body language. There are many different ways to tell."

"I need to do psychology classes," she said, with endearing earnestness. "That would be so interesting to me, studying people." It was working. She was opening up. She kept talking: "And you could meet somebody or be out on a date and be like, 'Are they lying to me right now?' Oh my gosh."

It was time for the heavy artillery.

"I'll show you something really cool and then we'll get back to the interview," I said, throwing in a time constraint for good measure. "It'll be an experiment. I'm going to try to guess something that's in your thoughts."

Then I used a simple psychological gambit to guess the initials of an old friend she had an emotional connection to—someone I wouldn't know and hadn't heard of. The initials were GC. And I got one letter out of two correct. It was a new routine I was still learning, but it was good enough for her.

"I can't believe you did that! I probably have so many walls in front, so that's why you didn't get them both," she said. "Let's try it one more time."

"This time, why don't you try it?"

"I'm scared." She put her knuckle in her mouth and pinched the skin between her teeth. She had great teeth. They really were a perfect C shape. "I can't do that."

She was no longer Britney Spears. She was just a one-set, a lone target. Or, as Robert Greene would classify her in his breakdown of seducer's victims in The Art of Seduction , she was the lonely leader.

"We'll make it easier," I said. "I'm going to write down a number. And it's a number between one and ten. What I want you to do is not to think at all. There's no special ability required to read minds. Just quiet your internal chatter and really listen to your feelings."

I wrote a number on a piece of paper and handed it to her.

"Now tell me," I said, "the first number that you feel."

"What if it's wrong?" she asked. "It's probably wrong."

This was what we called in the field an LSE girl—she had low self-esteem.

"What do you think it is?"

"Seven," she said.

"Now turn over the paper," I told her.

She slowly turned it over, as if she were afraid to look, then moved it up to eye level and saw a big number seven staring right back at her.

She screamed, leaped off the couch, and ran to the hotel mirror. Her mouth hung agape as she looked her reflection in the eye.

"Oh my God," she said to her reflection. "I did that."

She was like a little girl seeing Britney Spears for the first time. She was her own fan.

"I just knew that it was seven!" she announced as she galloped back to the couch.

Of course she knew. That was the first magic trick I'd learned from Mystery, arguably the best pickup artist in the world: If you have someone choose a number between one and ten randomly, 70 percent of the time—especially if you rush their decision—that number will be seven.

So, yeah, I had tricked her. But her self-esteem needed a good boost.

"Cool interview!" she exclaimed. "I like this interview! This has been the best interview of my life!"

Then she turned her face toward mine, looked me in the eye, and asked, "Can we stop the tape recorder?"

For the next fifteen minutes, we talked about spirituality and writing and our lives. She was just a lost little girl going through a late emotional puberty. She was searching for something real to hold on to, something deeper than pop fame and the sycophancy of her handlers. I had demonstrated value, and now we were moving on to the rapport phase of seduction. Maybe Mystery was right: All human relationships follow the same formula.

Rapport equals trust plus comfort.

However, I had a job to do. I started the tape recorder and asked the questions I'd given her at the start of the interview, plus all the other questions I had. This time she gave me real answers, answers I could print.

When the hour was up, I stopped the tape recorder.

"You know," Britney said. "Everything happens for a reason."

"I truly believe that," I told her.

"I do, too." She touched my shoulder and a broad smile spread across her face. "I'd like to exchange numbers."

AFTER OUR HOUR was up, Britney left the room to change for an MTV interview. She returned ten minutes later with her publicist.

As she sat down in front of the cameras, her publicist looked at me strangely.

"You know, she's never done that with a writer before," she said.

"Really?" I asked.

"She said it was like the two of you were destined to meet."

The publicist and I stood next to each other in silence as the MTV interview began.

"So you had a crazy time out the other night," the interviewer asked.

"Yeah, I did," Britney answered.

"What was the energy level like in the club when you walked in and surprised everyone?"

"Oh, it was just crazy."

"And how much fun did you have?"

Suddenly, Britney stood up. "This isn't working," she told the crew.

"I'm not feeling this."

She pivoted on her heels and walked toward the door, leaving the crew and her assistants befuddled. As she passed me, the corners of her mouth turned upward, forming a conspiratorial smile. I had gotten to her. There was something deeper to Britney Spears than what the pop machine required of her.

The game, I realized, works better on celebrities than ordinary people. Because stars are so sheltered and their interactions limited, a demonstration of value or any other gambit holds ten times the power.

In the days that followed, I thought often about what had happened. I had no illusions: Britney Spears wasn't attracted to me. She wasn't considering me as a potential mate. But I had interested her. And that was a step in the right direction. Pickup is a linear process: Capture the imagination first and the heart next.

Interest plus attraction plus seduction equals sex.

Of course, maybe this was all just self-hypnosis. For all I knew, she exchanged phone numbers with every journalist to make him feel special and ensure a good story. Her publicist probably had an answering service set up at that number specifically for gullible writers who thought they were pickup artists. Maybe I was the one being sarged, not her.

I would never know the truth.

I stared at that number every day, but I couldn't bring myself to dial it. I told myself that it was crossing a journalistic line: If she didn't like the piece I was writing (which was quite possible), I didn't want her to go on record saying I had written a bad article because she hadn't phoned back.

"Just call her," Mystery constantly prodded me. "What do you have to lose? Tell her, 'Can you not look like Britney Spears? We're going to do some crazy shit and we can't get caught. We're going to wear wigs and climb up to the Hollywood sign and touch it for good luck.' "

"If I had met her socially, fine. But this is a work assignment."

"You're playing the game at another level now. When the article is finished, it isn't an assignment anymore. So call her."

But I couldn't do it. If it had been any of the intimidatingly beautiful women I'd met early in my training and been too scared to ask out, I would have called back in a second. I had no fear of women like that anymore. I felt worthy. I'd proven that over and over since. But Britney Spears?

One's self-esteem can only grow so much in a year and a half.

The end.

Gone Savage lays 3 HBs in one day in Montreal, So confidently, so sincerely and so romantically..

2005-07-28T10:45:00.000-07:00

THIS REPORT IS ABSOLUTE GOLD.

3LR: Montreal: Trois beautées en une seule journée

Friday July 22, 2005. This day will live on in infamy as the first day that I had sex with three women, each for the first time. Let me make the distinction clear. Not only did I have sex with three women, but it was the first time having sex with each! Okay, got it. Onward…

This post is a snapshot of where I have worked to take this artform and my attitude. And it’s the culmination of ten days time spent in Montreal. Developments include exhibiting potent sexual confidence, delivering powerful statements of intent, persisting on Day2 and Day3 meets, and creatively engineering good logistics. All three of these women were sexed on Day3 meets--which I’ve already noted was the same day!

Going from 'Down State' to a Lay - Turning the night around no matter how bad your state

2005-07-28T09:39:00.000-07:00

Lately, I noticed on mASF that Ox (from the UK) has been posting these LRs, every week where he starts off the night with a really poor state and down and mentally kicking himself down. He tried and gets blown out and hits rock bottom and somehow persists at the end of the night and does a ONS Lay. Its funny how he has consistenly done it over the last few weeks of posts he has made.

LR: Impossible is nothing(pics)
LR: my game is back(pics)
LR: friday night and hb gets her due(pics)
LR: my 3rd car extraction(pics)

Another very natural lay.. Dont excuse your desires.. do what you want say what u REALLY want..

LR: Same day lay with HBdrama

The Art of Story Telling - How to be a good Story Teller

2005-07-28T08:01:00.000-07:00

One of the most important things to learn as a PUA is to be an engaging story teller. It is now what you say but how you say it. It is not how amazing your story really was but how you framed it to sound 'amazing', 'interesting' and 'exciting'.

Its all about the presentation of the matter:

A good example is wilders article on Story Telling.

http://www.bristollair.com/outergame/routines/storytheory/
Also a discussion about the same on EBSS (The SF Bay Area Lair)

Story Theory
by Wilder
Telling stories to a group of people is one of the best ways to generate attraction in pick-up when done correctly.
What follows are several things to consider when choosing and crafting stories for use in the field during attraction phases. They're more guidelines than hard and fast rules, as you can break most of them when you know what you're doing.
Story material This is close to a no-brainer. Choose stories that are interesting, fun and GIRL RELEVANT! Avoid stories about distasteful subjects, i.e. death, car accidents, bad breakups, etc. Usually these stories are funny. Use stories you tell often to friends and new people that get big laughs.

[ CONVERSATION THEMES WITH CHICS:
TRAVEL, MOVIES (TYPE OF MOVIES.. CHIC FLICS, SCARY MOVIES), TV SHOWS, POP CULTURE, SHOPPING, PERSONAL EXPERIENCES INVOLVING WOMEN, DRAMA/ DRAMATIC SITUATIONS, CLOTHES/ FASHION, SHOES, HOROSCOPES, PALMISTRY, TAROT READING, PSYCHIC, SPELLS, GHOSTS, SUPERNATURAL THINGS, RELATIONSHIPS, VARIOUS ASPECTS OF RELATIONSHIPS, CONCERTS, SHOWS, CARNIVALS, ART, FESTIVALS...]

Be succinct Write your story out word for word and then gut it. Get rid of everything the listener doesn't need to know and doesn't care about. It's essential that you're ruthless here. Better to cut too much than too little. State the boring but necessary details as succinctly as possible.

Lead in This is how you start the story. The lead in should be congruent with the story to follow. Communicate using words, tonality and energy the type of story to follow. Some examples are, "Oh my God, the funniest/craziest/weirdest thing happened to me the other day!" or "Did you guys ever notice XXX?" or "You'll never believe this, check it out."

Initial hook An initial hook is something that makes peoples' ears perk up. It should be as close to the beginning of the story as possible and should be specifically chosen to make people lean in and pay attention. If your story is about something that happened to you at an S & M party, put that part up front!

Bad: My friend called me the other day and left me a message to call him back. So I called him and he went on and on about his Mother's operation before finally telling me about this party he wanted to go to. Turns out, it's an S & M party!

Good: So the other day I went to this S & M party!

Unanswered questions Craft your story so that there will be unanswered questions in the listener's mind. You want them to ask you questions that give you the opportunity to further increase your value.

Example: So I was picking up my new car the other day and the salesman wouldn't stop asking me about my watch. The girl I was with finally told him we had to go so she could pick up her instrument for a concert she was doing that night.

Unanswered questions:
- What kind of car did you just buy?
- What kind of watch were you wearing?
- Are you rich?
- Who was the girl you were with?
- What kind of performance did she have to get to?

Allude, don't state directly In the examples above you're alluding. You're alluding to the fact that you have money, as you just bought a new car and have a cool watch. You're alluding to the fact that you hang out with cool girls. Stated directly, any of this information would sound like bragging, so you allude to it. Make them ask you about it; don't volunteer it.

Subcommunication This has to do mostly with tonality. The same story can be told playfully, seductively or in a way that generates intrigue. Calibrate to your audience and know what you want to subcommunicate.

Convey personality traits In telling a story, you're telling someone a great deal about yourself. Know what personality traits want to convey. Craft your stories to subtly tell someone you're adventurous, rich, famous, creative, courageous, etc.

Tonality This is hard to put in print, but vary your tonality as widely as possible. Talk slow, then fast, then low, then high and then higher! Make transitions smoothly and tell the story in a way that sucks your listener right in. Along with this, act out parts of the story with your hands or your whole body.

Have a punch line A punch line is a line that sums up your story in a powerful way. It's a way of letting the listener know that the story is over. It doesn't have to be funny, though in many stories used in the field it will be.

Examples:
- "That's the last time I take THAT dog to the beach!"
- "From now on I'm asking to see girls' ID's!"
- "That was the day I learned the true meaning of courage."
Short Example Story:
The Girls at Burning Man are fucking CRAZY! So I met this girl at dinner and we really hit it off. We spent the whole evening together and she was great, but something seemed a little off. Anyway, she finally takes me back to her tent and it's really romantic and everything, then afterwards we fall asleep in each others' arms. In the morning I kissed her on her forehead, but she didn't wake up. So I left and went to my own tent, which was like 20 yards away, figuring I'd see her at breakfast. But she's not at breakfast. And she's not at lunch. And she's not at dinner. Finally after dinner, I see her across the space and she comes right over to me with this weird look on her face. She puts her hand on my chest, looks deep into my eyes and says, "Oh my God, you're so hot, I HAVE to meet you."
I looked at her and said, "Sarah, it's ME."
Then she gets this really weird look on her face and says, "How did you know my NAME?!"
Story material- Burning Man, Romance, Sex.
Be succinct.
Lead in- "The Girls at Burning Man are fucking CRAZY!." I'd say this animated and playfully, like there's a story coming.
Initial hook- Crazy girls at Burning Man.
Unanswered questions:
- What is Burning Man?
- What's Burning Man like?
- Are chicks always so attracted to you?
- What's wrong with this girl?
- What happened next with this girl?
Allude, don't state directly. Much more effective than saying "Hey, chicks dig me."
Subcommunication- Audience dependant.
Convey personality traits:
- I'm sexually open
- I'm adventurous
- I take things in stride
- I'm cool with weird and unusual people and situations
Have a punch line: "How did you know my NAME?!"
Tonality: I use a wide range on tonality telling this story.
Game on-

- Wilder

I saw this blog post while searching through google. I am looking for more insights on this. If you happen to find some please do let me know.

nomadlife HOWTO - How to be a good story teller…

Tuesday, February 01, 2005

How to be a good story teller…
By far one of the hardest parts of reintegration is telling your story. Lets be honest: No one wants to hear about that amazing bike ride through the rice patty or the view from the top of the Eiffel Tower. You gotta give your audience what they want. Sex, danger or even coitus are the acrylics on your palette. As soon as you realize this, you are on your way to being a good story teller…

There are several tricks to getting at what the audience wants. Trick number one: Don’t get bogged down in minute details. Your goal is to get to the sauce as soon as possible, observe:

“So, I was in Thailand and there’s this guy who my friend that I was with met on the beach. So, we went over to his, like I think it was an apartment or a hotel, and we start trading our Asia stories. Anyway, he starts telling this story about his friend in Bangkok. So his friend goes out drinking, and he’s pretty drunk, and the next thing he knows he’s in a village out side of town. Naked, with his boxers turned inside out. It took him three days to get back to Bangkok.”

So now that’s an “okay story.” But observe the pains taken to describe relationship and setting. No one cares. Get to the sauce:

“So, I was in Thailand and there’s this dude I met. Anyway, this guy starts telling me about this time he went out drinking in Bangkok, and he’s pretty drunk, and the next thing he knows he’s in a village out side of town. Naked, with his boxers turned inside out. It took him three days to get back to Bangkok.”

Alright, now you’re talking. That 30 second story is starting to be 30 seconds long. Next, your going to want to emphasize the sexy bits, and throw some meat on that skeleton. The first is with adjectives and metaphor, observe:

“So, I was in Thailand and I meet this crazy Australian dude. Anyway, this guy starts telling me about this time he was drinking in Bangkok, and he’s piss drunk at some shady ass bar, and some one slips him something and the next thing he knows he’s in this farm village outside of town. With nothing on but his stained boxers turned inside out. It took him three days to get back to Bangkok.”

See, now that story is getting respectable. I’d take that one any day, but there’s still more work to do. Next is the embellished detail. I recommend the use of numbers pulled from your ass or colloquialisms to convey severity of the situation:

“So, I was in Thailand and I meet this crazy Australian dude. So, we just start shooting the shit on this porch. Anyway, this guy is telling me about this time he went out drinking in Bangkok. Apparently, he gets piss drunk at some shady ass bar and someone one slips him a roofy. The next thing he knows, its been 48 hours and he’s in this farm village 8 miles out of town. With nothing on but his stained boxers turned inside out. It took him three days to get back to Bangkok.”

Now all you need is to relate this to the reader/listener and your done son:

“So, I was in Thailand and I meet this crazy Australian dude. Anyway, this guy is telling me about this time he went out drinking in Bangkok, and if you know Bangkok you know there are some shaddy ass places downtown. Anyway, he gets piss drunk off of Mehkong whisky at some bar, and someone one slips him a roofy. The next thing he knows, its been 48 hours and he’s in this farm village 8 miles out of town. And he’s wearing nothing but his shit stained boxers. Turned. Inside-Out. Luckily, the people were really nice and gave him cloths and money to get back to Bangkok. He never wore underwear again”

See you got the danger, lesson learned and a happy ending. Anyone else have some good stories to tell?

posted by nomadlife community # 5:56 PM

So what are the themes and topics that you must talk about with women? Check some of the following DYD insights (quoted from here.. )

There are really two very different (and important) aspects to the "conversations with women" topic:

1. The HOW
2. The WHAT

THE HOW

Most guys want to know "what to talk about" with women.
It only makes sense that you should talk about things that women are interested in... right?
Well... partially.
It is actually FAR MORE IMPORTANT to talk about whatever topic you're talking about in the RIGHT WAY.
In other words, if you don't understand HOW to carry on a conversation that creates ATTRACTION, then it really won't matter WHAT you talk about... because the woman you're talking to won't FEEL anything towards you.

[Editor: Read our "Things You Should Never Say On A Date" for additional information"]

The HOW of conversation includes (but is not limited to):

-Your body language
-Eye contact
-The Cocky & Funny style of communicating
-Flirting
-Sending mixed messages
-Directing the conversation
-Dealing with common questions and topics

...and many other things.

My point is that if you're running into a lot of "uncomfortable silences", nervousness, and other usual challenges, then you probably need to get the HOW handled before the WHAT.

THE WHAT

With that said, there are several topics that are GREAT to discuss with women.
But instead of just giving them to you, I want you to do yourself a favor and THINK for a minute.

What topics do women PAY to hear about?

Hint: Cosmo magazine, romance novels, soap operas, nighttime dramas, the fashion channel... etc.

If you think about it, the answer to this question is rather obvious.

For whatever reason, WOMEN tend to LOVE:

-Drama
-Conflict
-Romance
-Famous people and their lives
...Looks, Fashion, Vacations, Affairs, etc..

So... it's really quite easy to enjoy a conversation with a woman about these topics.

Here are a few ideas:

1. Play amateur psychologist to the stars.

Talk about how someone famous is doing something really stupid, then psycho-analyze them.
For instance... right now, Michael Jackson is something like two hundred million dollars in debt. Even though he makes about twenty million dollars a year, he somehow manages to blow it all and then some. He has spent an unimaginable amount of time and money on plastic surgery and skin bleaching... and he reportedly just spent around seven hundred grand digitally darkening his skin tone in a recent video.
This situation is all kinds of BEGGING to be picked apart with a fine-toothed critical mind.
It's also PREGNANT with humor opportunities.

2. Find an interesting-looking group of people and guess what's going on.

Look around you, and find a couple sitting at a table that looks like they're on their first date.
Then start making fun of how the guy is acting, how he's dressed, his posture, or whatever. Talk about how the woman is thinking that he's a dork and how he's not getting any, no matter how many compliments he gives her.
Analyzing what's going on with a close group of others is big fun, and women love it.

3. Make fun of someone famous.

Talk about how a super model is too skinny, or how Ozzy has killed all his brain cells and what a shame it is that he's on TV broadcasting it to millions of viewers.
Make fun of Mariah Carey for gaining weight, being put in the loony bin, and putting out a sucky movie.
All you have to do is read a few gossip magazines to get all kinds of great stuff to make fun of.
It's fun, it's funny, and it's a great way to talk like you're all that.

4. Talk about other people's love lives.

Talk about the problems that others are going through when it comes to love and romance, then volunteer completely ridiculous theories about what's going on.
Mention a friend you had who broke up with his girlfriend because she gained weight, then after you've told the story, make up a random theory about how women who gain weight are actually lesbians.
But make sure it's funny, whatever you invent.
...I think you can "feel me".

The point here is that women are NATURALLY fascinated and drawn to certain topics... so USE THEM.

The REAL benefit of talking to women about topics that really interest them is that you can USE ALL THE OTHER IDEAS THAT YOU'RE LEARNING while you're talking!

You can AMPLIFY THE ATTRACTION as the conversation goes on... as long as you know what else to do as you talk.

Oh, by the way...

Topics to avoid: Rape, kidnapping, stalking, death, chess, computers, comic books, Star Wars, monster trucks, and NSYNC. NEVER talk about topics that might really freak a woman out, or topics that make you look like the biggest loser alive in the beginning. You'll create BAD VIBES that will make any attraction that you've created INSTANTLY disappear. Others to really avoid include talking negatively about yourself, talking about how desperate you are or how long it's been since you've been on a date, asking if she likes you or if you're her "type"... and any other WUSS-BAG topic that makes you look insecure and needy.

Remember, the key to success with women is creating a powerful emotional ATTRACTION between you and her.
If you don't know how to do this, then NOTHING you do is going to help you very much.

Insightful topics aren't they?

Have a balance in life, PU but believe in Karma

2005-07-27T20:06:00.000-07:00

SoMa's thoughts impresse me more. Thats what I believe about life.

He talks on BBForum.

A lot of guys here are in pursuit of pussy at all costs. It's their holy grail. As cliche as it sounds, there are more things in life than girls. This is not coming from someone who is a keyboard jockey with zero experience. I'm saying this from a place of a great deal of experience. I've been on both sides of the fence. From no pussy, to 3 new girls a week...week after week after week after week. Fucked girls with bfs, girls without em, girls engaged, gf's of friends, ex gf's of friends, hell I was even fucking my friends fiancee for over two years in his own bed while he was at work. After that I ended up fucking several of that girls best friends cause she would spread the word about me breakin her off so well. She didn't take kindly to it when she found out. But hey, fuck her and everyone else, it's all about me, right?

Some people may not believe in karma, negative energy, etc, but I'm a firm believer in that what you put out into the universe is going to come back to you. It's actually a direct reflection of what you harbor inside. The longer you choose to live on that lower level of life the longer you'll be unfullfilled, constantly in pursuit of what you THINK will fulfill you. In this case; Pussy. I lost sight of that in my pursuit of fresh cunt. Looking back I can see how I was a huge asshole and how I hurt a lot of people, including myself. It's the same as people who constantly strive for money. They THINK it will make them happy and in the end they realize they wasted a large portion of their life.

I'm not saying don't go for women and other things you want, by all means DO! What is life for if not to enjoy it? Just be honest in your dealings and consider how your actions will affect yourself and others. You wanna be direct, that's fuckin direct right there. No games whatsoever.

These days I still get a good amount of action but now I have a clear conscience. Too much false bravado in the seduction community, especially this board. I could sit here for days talking about this but the point is thus: Create and maintain a healthy balance between the various aspects of your life.

I also like the signature he has...

I danced until midnight when the sky turned black,
It is hard to dance with the Devil on your back.
They buried my body and thought I'd gone,
But I am the dance and I still go on.

He's seem to have derived them from this song.

LORD OF THE DANCE
(Sydney Carter)

Being in the present, Living in NOW, controlling yourself & not getting carried away by your emotions..

2005-07-27T09:29:00.000-07:00

I had met SoMa when I was in the Bay Area in Summer 2004. I hung out with him and AfroPUA and somehow discounted SoMa's 'ultra chill' vibe. He was so chilled out but I thought that was just him being cool.

I am not sure if he changed after going into the 'Direct' camp or was this way before and I never saw his depth of thought.. Here's something he mentioned here on BB forum, that caught my 'curiosity'.

..... whenever I feel myself getting caught up in something and want to relax. I take notice of my surroundings. For example, I'll focus on the temperature of the air around me, notice the way the wood from the table underneath my fingers feels, notice how my clothes feel against my skin, etc. This get's me back in the present and helps me to focus on what's going on around me rather than getting swept away in a torrent of emotions.

Getting back to the "NOW" is important. Its easy for me to get swept away by a torrent of thoughts.. and find myself lost, confused or TOO INTROSPECTIVE..

Wazzup (IndiaLair) told me on the phone... "Do you want control in life...or do you want to cruise through life"...... Just chill... live in the NOW... not in the PAST or the FUTURE..

My wing "Ramster" alsot mentioned last night when we were talking, that I had this "URGE" to get carried away by thoughts and urge to express all and that was just too much at times....

I am wondering what to do...... HOLD IT BACK a little. Dont get carried away by the URGE.. Know the urge and TAME it.

Thats what I need to do.

TT: How to Build Rapport With Any Chick, Anywhere, In 30 Minutes

2005-07-25T00:01:00.000-07:00

Cortez talks about how you need to avoid logical stuff and talk about things that bring out feelings and emotions.

TT: How to Build Rapport With Any Chick, Anywhere, In 30 Minutes

She has to FEEL you two are soulmates, like she knows you forever.
When it happens fast, you hear following from her: ''Oh my God I don't know why I'm telling you this, I don't even know you..''

What happened?
She FEELS she knows me better then her best friend and her logical brain supplies her with information ''You don't know this guy''!

Quote:
And yes, rapport gets you girl!

NOW THE FOLLOWING TEXT IS FOR GUYS WHO WANT RAPPORT FAST:

Attraction is naturally created between people.
With deep raport you will get her. If not first time you see her, second or third you will. She will remember you as someone special and think of you all the time. Good rapport brings the chick to you.

What to do to get in rapport, guys:

- Relax. It is important. RELAX. Nervous guys, don't drink coffeine, don't look around like you escaped from jail. Act like youre alone in the most comfortable place on Earth. Make that place existant in your imagination if you have never been in a place like that.

- Avoid everyday chat (weather, school, job, newspapers, movies..) you will need weeks to get rapport with that.

- Skip the usual introductions and talk with her like she is your twin sister, in fact even more openly than you would with your twin sister

- Go deep (share some emotions with her, talk about yourself (example: how you fell in love first time when you were 5 years old, how you had a rabbit and he was your friend and when he died you were very sad and felt vulnerable..)

- Listen when she follows with her deep story. Leave coments aside. Don't interrupt with: ''That's good!'', ''That's funny'', ''Oh that's so bad for you''. Just listen. Don't criticise or judge her whatever she says. Never involve in discussion. If you do so you're pushing her away. If you 'agree' with her or 'approve' her actions you loose trust from her. Just listen. Ask question if something is not clear to you. When you finish asking, shut up and listen her for a while. You must NOT become her cushion. It happens in 15 mins - 2 hours, only in special situations longer. Dont make it long. If you make it long without steping forward (kiss), there is a danger of becoming a friend, or even worse, marriage material.

- Don't try hard to find common things between you two. Do it more like you're just informing yourself about her and her about your thoughts, or even better, you're just thinking loudly, with no specific objective.

-Don't give her eye contact too much. Save it's power for later. Give it more and more in moments before kiss, and make a last one longer.

-Cube and similar techniques can work if used on right place in right time and by skilled person. I prefer something else [HE PREFERS TO ADD SOMETHING MORE]: use experience to explain how she feels or what she thinks or why she behaved in such way in such occasion. That adds HUGE amounts of rapport, it's quicker and less borring.

Newbies, above text is gold , I'm writing it for you instead of sleeping so *pay* *fuckin* *attention*. Re-read, apply and get that girl!

This makes sense from the Austin PUA Summit 2005, where FireFly mentioned how we get easily affected by things we see in a movie or tv (a form of hypnosis) . A sad melodramatic scene tends to make us sad (to some extent) and this works even more strongly on the females.

Essentially, you have to bring about lots of different kinds of "emotions" and "feelings" with the rapport.. in the conversation you have and/or in the stories you tell.

Another recent shift in the RSD Camp heading more towards Rapport / Stories v/s Routines.

My wing Maverick mentioned that his most recent RSD Bootcamp in NYC (his 2nd RSD in a few months), the guys made him drop all routines and go into real stories. But, they gave a few tips on how to story tell. Make the female visualize, imagine and feel the story... by stimulating the feelings of all of the 5 senses. [ Girls do this all the time when they read novels / books.. they love to imagine things]

- Sight
- Sound
- Smell
- Touch / Feel
- Taste

You can trigger them to visualize the story as it had happened, thereby bringing associative feelings by being descriptive on these 'aspects' of the story.

e.g. The 5 of us walked in and it was brightly lit place with neon lights all over the place. It was silent to begin with until we heard this sound on the floor "bam bam bam" and turned around. There was a sweet but eerie smell in the air that passed over as a cool breeze giving goosebumps but we felt this dryness in our mouth and our throat.

Another article on rapport....... Confident Rapport versus Insecure Rapport.

All you need is rapport: confident rapport.
So what’s the difference between insecure rapport and confident rapport?
It comes down to your inner beliefs.
Do you believe she's going to listen and like what you have to say about yourself. You should. In fact she should be hanging on every word you say because you believe she needs you.
If you have that inch of doubt, that means you believe she isn't ATTRACTED to you, and you need to build the attraction then. But what if you didn't have that doubt?
Girls can smell confidence, and they can definitely detect any insecurity. They will see the confidence you have in yourself when you are straight forward and you just assume they will like you. And they WILL respond positively. Remember an inch of doubt and you're dead in the water.

How a compliment can be a PUSH PULL i.e. Validation and Takeaway = Chase you

2005-07-08T09:33:00.000-07:00

http://fastseduction.com/masf/24/236746/ - Commander Zap.

I forget which HB was with me. but I wasn't doing PU and I just said to this hotty, very honestly which makes it better (but if you can fake sincerity you've got it made), I said:

"I just want to tell you, you look so great dressed that way, it's fabulous, and the guy sitting next to you is a lucky man."
Smile, nod, EC, and bye/Thanks, shock, and DDB.
I don't think I kino-ed, this chick was on the way to the john. I suppose guy-next-to- her-being-lucky is subtle boyfriend destroyer.
[I dont know about this being a BF Destroyer.. well if I think about it.. YES. It says he's LUCKY.. not that he's good.. but he's just plain lucky to have gotten a BETTER DEAL.. i.e. He is Lucky and HB is NOT.. i.e. she got the shorter end of the stick]

Imagine a nice-looking girl saying the equivalent to you. You'd remember that, right? (Read the quote again.) If you didn't tell friends (or us) about it the next day, you'd be thinking about it. You'd remember the exchange, you'd remember HER.
It violates a little bit you-are-the-prize,
But remember the don't-compliment-her rule does have an exception:
- you can if you honestly just want to,
- and if you can confidently move from it in the very next moment and not look like you need reaction. [By saying a compliment you have given her a "feeling" and by walking away you have taken it away.. This will make her crave it.. and make her want to chase you]

Besides all you're saying is that her date is *not* the prize! Ha-ha!

Loverboy does his version of Push Pull with compliments here.. VERY VERY EFFECTIVE AND DETAILED in how he leans in and out and does verbal with physical push pull and kino.

Fuck it. I want to work on my nonverbal game (which is slowly improving and I'm
glad to see it get tighter!! In the past I could be making out with a girl and
not have touched her before that.. lol) I start increasing kino, started with
some slaps on her thighs, then her hands, then her arm. I put my hand around
her neck and pull her in towards me, and I'm running my hands on her legs. I
even start massaging her while talking absoultely BULLSHIT.

This seems to get her a little turned on, but I realized I need to activate
blueprint properly. I can see it halfway there because I was getting mixed
reactions. But i want to get this ON...

Here's what I did... I COMPLIMENTED her, took it away, and repeated the process
a few times. I mirrored my BL with the exact opposite (pull back sa I
compliment, lean in as I take it away) and I would kino ping her on the
shoulders. She's pushing back and forth now. Shit, this is working. I even
tell her that she is turning me on, and how I want to even have SEX with her
while leaning back, then I took it AWAY and said 'actually I don't know... we
might not be compatible' while I lean in. BAM. We're close up. She's
blushing. WTF??? This was how her blueprint activates. It's weird as fuck.
But I was glad I picked it up. This girl has a weird blueprint because she's
like at least a 9 here but I feel like she'd sleep with me simply for
validation if I play it right, and fuck, where is the ASD and shit?

She knew I was seducing her because she said she is seeing someone and said if
I am going to tell anyone about this especially Richie....

haha

Anyway she leads and reframes for me.

Her: 'Ok... go along with me... I'm a friend of yours, right?'
Loverboy: 'WTF? What are you talking about?'
Her: 'no no just go along with me here.'
Loverboy: 'ok... ' (WTF)
Her: 'Hey.. I'm a friend of yours... I think u're really sexy... I want to have
sex with you!'
Loverboy: 'Okay!' (Cool!!)
Her: 'But well it's just happening becasue we had a drink, right? We are
friends so we can't let anyone know, right?'
Loverboy: 'Okay!'
Her: 'Okay!' (she looks relieved)
Loverboy: 'Okay!'

A LR by simply pushing and pulling/

Another one:

For the next half hour, we basically talked about her BOYFRIEND. I know guys
would say to cut off the thread and ignore it completely. I used to do that.
But you let chics talk and tell them what a 100% perfect relationship they
have... and they'll find reasons to the contrary. They also eventually bring
up PROBLEMS and ISSUES which I can use it to my ADVANTAGE. The key however, is
to let them talk about it without affecting you.

My favorite part of the whole convo was testing out some high tech 'state
breaking' NLP shit:

HB: 'He's so sweet he's taking me to Italy for my birthday.'
I slap her on the hand.
HB: 'OUCH! What was that? You just hit my hand!! Why did you do that??' she
shouted, slightly shocked.
Me: 'Oh, I thought that was a mosquito on your hand…
HB: 'Oh...'
Me: 'But then we're in Scotland… we don't have mosquitoes here.. I wonder what
that was!'

I did this in a very very playful manner, but I definitely hit kinda hard. And
I think she kinda liked it.

This, ladies and gentlemen, I call pattern interruption. Something I'm still
experimenting with. This was enough to get her to drop that chain of thought
about her wonderful AFC BF taking her on holiday. I broke her state. I'm
sure there are better ways to interrupt than physically HITTING them… esp if
it's not their blueprint. LOL. I did the hair grabbing thing on a chic once
and she almost cried. But that's a different story. Anything to link any
pleasurable thoughts of her BF to pain effectively and quickly… except that she
seems to enjoy being dominated and rough.. so uggh I'm not sure. I'm rambling
here and going around in circles... plus this is all theoretical....

I start building deep comfort through vulnerability stories, and phase shift my
vocals. I gaze and slow down. I look at her sexually… I slow down my voice.
She's sat there looking at me all DDB. I start talking about kissing... I go
in for the kiss... I see her stiffen a little so I pull back... before she can
even object, I said to her first.... 'we shouldn't be doing this... what are
you doing to me...'

I go back into kissing her, push-pulling and rewarding...I tell her I just
couldn't resist those soft lips... how I'm sure they taste so sweet...yet I
don't know what she's doing to me... and how I'm trying so hard not to kiss
her... the tension was crazy. After a little while, I just take her by the
hand, and walk her out of the venue. Just as I do with every girl on my day2s
(even though I tongue most of them in the bar first). No words.

I also noticed a lot of Juggler like force commitment and SOI here..

IMP: Persistence is so key, that it begins to scare me

2005-07-08T09:22:00.000-07:00

Spirit Fingers and Lunotick do a double LR on 2 korean virgins. Damn persistence.

But I am also wondering if this is because of the Asian 'closed' FOB now in great WHITE American Lover thing that works to the advantage of the White PUAs in Japan. (since I recently read that).

Either way, I love their persistence. I give up too easy.

topic: LR: Two Korean virgins (1 of 5), Read 452 times
board: >> Field Reports
from: Spirit Fingers superman88088@hotmail.com
http://fastseduction.com/masf/24/236250/

topic: LR: Two Korean virgins (2 of 5), Read 315 times
board: >> Field Reports
from: LuNoTiCK lunotick@yahoo.com
http://fastseduction.com/masf/24/236250/

One important NUGGET. Very important.

I learned a lot during this lay. One really really important thing is to be persistent, and confident in all situations. Keep your cool, don't freak out with any little situation. If you have a stronger frame than the girls, things will go your way. Be a little bit more dominant than them, but don’t be completely dominant. These girls were shy.

Equipment: Digital Voice Recorders for Sarge Analyses - Some options, reviews, discussions on mASF

2005-07-05T23:10:00.000-07:00

After hearing SC's audio field reports and discussing with him how he used to record and listen to himself to fix things, I realized that this is an essential part of fixing your sticking points in the game. How are you going to figure out 'exactly' what and how if you can not clearly recall what happened? So I have concluded that recording your sarges are very important. The ultimate would be audio video recording where you record the audio while someone remotely records you and your sets on video to show the subtleities of body language etc.

Here is a thread on mASF about the possible set of Digital Voice Recording devices that some people have tried etc.

Voice recorder MP3 reference reviews (long) by Choumoux from the Paris Lair.

topic: Voice recorder MP3 reference reviews long (1 of 8), Read 463 times
board: >> Tactics / Techniques
from: Choumoux choumouxpua@yahoo.fr
(first login: July, 07, 2004 01:29 PM)
date: Saturday, June 04, 2005 06:27 PM

(Complete reference compiled for stuff (10+) posted on FS about DEVICES to record sarges... plus a few tricks here and there... please do not quote this entire fucking post if you give an answer... keep it readable, thanks.)

Hey, I want to record future sarges... I made an extensive search on this board and found good ideas that i've checked out. I put all the references here, it'll serve someone hopefully. I haven't found the answer to an existential question though:

can one get *reasonable" (=audible) quality using a MP3 USB KEY-type device???

I don't want to spend a fortune on a little fucker that could slip out of my pocket
or land in the toilets some night. 50euro to 70euro would be a good range of price.
But maybe a MP3 USB KEY records shitty sound...

I'd also like one that doesn't require a Phd in sound FX to get the file onmy pc and a rechargeable one would be very nice, please, Santa... Pleeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaze!!!!

Any advice (based on your personal experience, please)?
Any reaction on the stuff below (i.e. suggestions collected on FS)?

(nb: i won't buy a mini disc, i just put it here for reference. Anyone got stuff by Creative, like Muvo or that kinda stuff?)

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PDA

Dell Axim X3i (video but expensive 200euro) It's really good for audio recording, I haven't tried using it in clubs though, so I'm not sure how the quality would be.-----------------------------------------

minidisc recorder

(excellent sound quality but expensive - bulky - not convenient to use - mini cds get screwed often in my experience)

hi-md recorder (sony mz-nh1, can record 45 hrs of voice at 48k on 1 gig disk). expensive, however I use it for a lot of things
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Ipod

cheap Flash IPod (A.K. uses an ipod which can hold shit loads of audio on it)

Does that stuff only record ambient sound?
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PDA sony clie

video: quality reasonable, you can record very secretly and it runs with my 256mb card appx one hour

Sony digital recorders have a huge rep. But are so fucking expensive...Not an option i guess...
:o(
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Olympus VN-240PC

It's small to comfortably fit in a shirt pocket
Records up to 4 hours Long Play - a whole night out
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USB KEY

128mo to 1go - cheap - between 40 and 80 euro....BUT what about sound quality????
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Medion € 79.99 490 MB.
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I suggest you to buy 1GB or at least 510 MB. Cause when you place some good collection of MP3s you will have very little place for voice recording.

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Zire 72 PDA with a speaker on the back, with digital camera, recorder, video camera, and organizer all in one.

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Steviepua:

Ideally I am looking for something small, like a keystick, rechargeable batteries and with 256MB-1GB memory I bought a new mp3 player/recorder.
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It is a Creative MuVo 1GB. It is really small, has line in for direct mp3 encoding (a hidden mic can be used), built in mic, radio. I am really happy with it. The link below has a picture of it (mine is white though).

http://www.creative.com/products/product.asp?category=213&subcategory=215&product=10737

Here is the white version

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I have an Iriver ifp-595t.
It's very small. The internal mic. is very sensitive. It even picks up conversation while it's in my jeans pocket. It has very good battery life(15hrs+) and can record for many many hours. The great thing is that it has Voice Auto Detection, and it can also smooth the peaks wich makes a HUGE difference. It records in MP3, but the files are named .REC, Easy to upload and rename to .MP3. I can highly recommend it, it's top quality in every aspect. Magnesium case, lot's of features/settings etc etc. Before this one I had a Ripflash DX but the Iriver is so much better. I can't believe Stevie PUA is still using a bulky Archos harddisk recorder :) Oh and bye the way, an MP3 player is normal to have with you. But what will people say when you carry a voicerecorder, or, even worse, you have spy microphones and mini-amplifiers taped to your body haha.
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Steviepua:
I don't use hidden mics or wires anymore since I figured out how to use the internal mic on the Archos properly. I now typically just have it inside a jacket chest pocket, or in a bag with a chest pocket. Yeah it is a little bulky compared to other mp3 recorders out there but the great thing about it is it has a 10GB memory.
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Steviepua:
The quality is good and the big memory means I can just switch on and forget about it. The downside is having to process and edit a long, long file though! That is the price of making long recordings. I suppose I could start a new file every time I use the bathroom. That would make it easier to process the files at home.
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I would highly recommend the IRiver brand devices.
comes with:
mp3 player
voice recorder
FM Radio tuner

Also, they changed some of the new models to not include a microphone input. The inner parts are the same, but they've started making them without the microphone jack. Both versions have a built in microphone which provides great recording quality.

I lost mine though and was strapped for cash, so I purchased a Circuit City no name house brand device with the same features as the above, only it didn't have a mic jack.

One thing I like about the IRiver brand recorders is that it lets you make alot of adjustments to your recording quality like bit rate, and other stuff, whereas this new one I bought from circuit city just gives you high, medium, and low settings. Both units, i hear, contain the same electronic guts, just different software.

Both units are small, and have a little loop so you can wear it around your neck. You can record far more amount of audio with these, and of better quality, than if you purchased a plain voice recorder for equivalent price.

Did I mention that the sound quality is great (better though, on the IRiver unit) Plus, it's an mp3 player, you can wear it on your neck and keep the headphones plugged in, tell chicks it's an mp3 player. Lot's of chicks will ask about it, makes good opener material. Just have that record feature on and go from there and record a day's worth of sarges.

Uploading is easy with the usb cable.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?id=1051806328372&skuId=5446975&type=product
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Carped Diem
27yo - PUA in training - KJ tendencies
Looking for wingmen. Parislair:
http://fr.groups.yahoo.com/group/parislair/join

Some extensive replies and reviews in response to his post.

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topic: Voice recorder MP3 reference reviews long (2 of 8), Read 299 times
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from: Ay
(first login: January, 12, 2005 04:17 AM)
date: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 03:09 AM

Funny you mention, I sell those USB key mp3 players on eBay and I was gonna use that one to record myself, but IMO most of them have interfaces where you have to look at the screen to set up voice recording. Like you have to navigate through menus and shit. I want to find one that'll record with a push of a single button.

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from: Choumoux choumouxpua@yahoo.fr
(first login: July, 07, 2004 01:29 PM)
date: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 10:00 AM

Ah, ok. Thanks for the info. I'll probably not buy a USB KEY type.

I've read reviews about the Creative MuVo recorder (cf Steviepua). A bit more expensive that what i wanted... but i guess it's the best compromise... So i'll probably buy one that's 512Mo...( the 1Go is tempting but i'm broke).

Dunno if the mike's built in, or/and if there's a line in (jack) for an external mike. I'm also worried about proprietary formats... I'd rather get the file directly as a .mp3 or .wav...

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from: stevie_pua stevie_pua@yahoo.co.uk
(first login: February, 21, 2002 09:08 AM)
date: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 07:13 PM

I am now using the Creative N200 Micro. It is small and records in .wav format (at a low bitrate). It has a 1GB memory, though 512k memories are available. I paid £109 for it (about $150). It has a built in mic. It is really small ... smaller than a matchbox. It also has line in for an external mic.

It comes with an arm band. This is of benefit to the PUA. With my earlier audio recorder (Archos Jukebox Recorder 10GB) I hid it from people. However, with the new small Creative recorder you can use the arm band and don't need to hide the machine. You just tell people it is your mp3 player/music player. They have no idea it is also recording them. There really is no need to hide it in most circumstances (unless, for example you are in a formal situation where wearing a mp3 player would be frowned upon). For most situations - street, shops, bars, even clubs it is acceptable, and even cool, to be seen with a machine this size. It may work to peacock you in some instances.

The quality of recording on the Creative is not as good as the Archos. The Archos was exceptionally good quality-wise, but you paid for this by the bulky size of the machine. The Creative's audio quality for recording voice via the inbuilt mic is FINE. The machine even comes with software to turn almost any media format into any other. You record in .wav and can turn it into .mp3, .wma and many other formats and bitrates quickly. Sometimes I process my audio in Soundforge to make it even better.

The Creative N200 is a good machine for recording PU, and I recommend it. Its advantages are a TINY size, BIG memory, innocuous and camaflaguing arm band. It can record for hours (even over a day, perhaps, on an empty 1GB memory - certainly enough to switch it on at the start of the night and turn off recording hours later).

Any questions, drop me a message here.

* * * * *

Underdogs come from behind
Assassins do it from behind
Bakers do it for the dough

* * * * *

Stevie PUA

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from: Choumoux choumouxpua@yahoo.fr
(first login: July, 07, 2004 01:29 PM)
date: Thursday, June 09, 2005 08:51 AM

On 6/8/05 7:13:00 PM, stevie_pua wrote:

Wow, thanks for all the details man. I appreciate that.
I'll opt for the MuVo 1Go or 512Mo indeed. I take your word that recording quality is fine.

*Sigh of relief*

(I have mixed feelings about MD recorders, as my bro had one, and discs would flinch one after the other and this message would appear: "UTOC error"). But i know the sound is excellent with MD... a compromise to make i guess.)

I'll post about it too, when i get to test it myself.

I think i can get a pack with a plastic (what's the name...holster?) with necklace thing to carry it, as that'd be a more secure/discrete way to wear the thing. Cause after checking the picture, i noticed no device to attach the necklace... Although clothing rubbing against it may be an issue... I don't like so much the idea of the arm band thing...

Good thing I didn't buy a USB key, based on the critics here!

Thanks for all the input guys. Too bad I'm in a hurry, we could have bought in bulk if others are interested...and brought the price down a bit...

(EDIT)>>
>I am now using the Creative N200 Micro.
>.wav format /£109/$150/130EUR
>It may work to peacock you in some instances.
>The Creative's audio quality for recording voice
>Sometimes I process my audio in Soundforge to make it>even better.
>The Creative N200 is a good machine for recording PU, and
>I recommend it. Its advantages are a TINY size, BIGmemory,
>innocuous and camaflaguing arm
>band.
>http://pua.zap.to
>>(EDIT)

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from: stevie_pua stevie_pua@yahoo.co.uk
(first login: February, 21, 2002 09:08 AM)
date: Thursday, June 09, 2005 12:20 PM

The recording quality if fine for outside, though if you are recording in a loud club, I think few recorders are much good. My Creative N200 came with a holster which can clip into a belt. Also, if you use the recorder without the holster and without the headphones attached, you can easily hide it in a shirt front pocket and no one will see it.

If the inbuilt mic quality is not good enough for you (e.g. if you want to have a higher bitrate) you can attach a mic to the line in socket and use an external mic (need to get a connecting adaptor for the mic to join with the cable that comes with the Creative, though). Then you can record at 96/128/160 bitrate.

I haven't tried many machines, so there are bound to be other machines as good or better ... just a matter of people testing them and recommending them.

* * * * *

Underdogs come from behind
Assassins do it from behind
Bakers do it for the dough

* * * * *

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from: rp_5150 rp_5150@yahoo.com
(first login: May, 02, 2004 08:16 PM)
date: Thursday, June 09, 2005 01:09 AM

On 6/4/05 6:27:00 PM, Choumoux wrote:
>

The usb mini-recorders are CRAP, imho.
Some guys with these couldnt record good audio from
a business meeting in a conference room with me talking 10
feet away. I even put it in my shirt pocket, and it didnt
pick up my voice well. I cant imagine these being useful
in a sarge-environment at ALL (i.e. typical street, mall,
bar, or loud club).

However.

I use a Sony Hi-MD recorder with self made
microphones. It has auto-gain control.
I am able to clearly hear convo of my sets on a club
dance floor when I put it in a shirt pocket (LOUD music
but convo picked up fine - wow).
When I put it in my front pocket of my jeans, I can get
good audio in a typical bar (with jukebox playing).
When I carry it around in my hand (in a leather case) I
get great audio also - on street, in bar, etc.

The file I had on puamedia was recorded that way.
This was on the 64kpbs setting (allows about 40 hours of
recorded audio per disc). I was holding it in my hand.

The hi-md decks connect to PC via USB for upload/download
and can convert to mp3 on the PC later.

It is expensive but I use it for other purposes
too (business, school, and bootlegging live bands -
it can record in cd quality 44.1k PCM - fucking sweet.)
Plus the audio quality for listening to music is
killer so it makes a great walkman.

-- robert1

""""
toecutter: Beat that fear. Be a man. Beat your chest a little bit, because most
people are slave to their fears. You conquer yours. Most guys will conquer it
in context (like bungy jumping), but lets see those parachuting AFCs handling
walking into a club ALONE and SOBER and APPROACHING a girl they don't know. Or
worse ... a group of girls.
""""

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from: Ay
(first login: January, 12, 2005 04:17 AM)
date: Friday, June 10, 2005 01:03 PM

One thing about USB key things is that they record straight to mp3. Actually they record WAV, but with mp3 bitrates, so it's the same size and quality, only different extension. I haven't tested any of them to record sarges, but I would imagine the quality has to be pretty low especially with an internal mic. Setting it up is a pain in the ass as well, unless you have the combo in which to press the buttons memorized.

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Hmm... now the question is which one(s) should I buy and try?

TT: Shrugging is Powerful - The use of a simple body movement into something very powerful - THE SHRUG

2005-07-03T20:08:00.000-07:00

Dimitri talks about how "easy" and "powerful" a simple shrug can be. Just shrug it off. Whatever a female says can be easily, nicely, politely and powerfully be shrugged off.

http://www.bristollair.com/bestlayreports/youreacelebrityneatletsfuck/

At one point, she says something about it having been a while, I say that must be hard on a girl "like her", and she says, "Well, I've got my vibrator." I shrug.

**By the way, I shrug *a lot*.

Shrugging is your friend in pickup.
- Shrug when you get shit-tested,
- shrug when a woman says a statement that most guys would latch on to and get excited like talking about her vibrator or minor hooking up with another girl (if it seems like she's just trying to cock tease and it's not legit, anyway),
- shrug when she asks a stupid question,
-shrug... whenever you want.

Shrugging is powerful.**

BTW - Hats off for persistence on this LR after getting pushed out of her place and then going back to her late at night using a "tuck you in" excuse. He shrugs again.. and overcomes a whole bunch of shit tests.

She asks if I'm a virgin, I laugh at her.

She asks how old I am, I tell her. She asks for ID to prove it. I laugh at her.

She continues shit-testing me, *hard*.

"Your feet smell so bad."
"Your beard looks terrible. You need to cut it."
"You've got earrings. Why you have earrings?"
"You should wash your clothes more."

Stuff like that. Shrugged at the first two, ran some cocky/funny at the third, called her a retard playfully on the fourth.

The Ultimate Shit Test: The "Penis Size" Shit Test

Then there was, "You've got such a small nose... Chinese girls tell by nose size if a man has a big penis or not. You have small penis." She holds up her fingers about five inches apart.

I nod emphatically. "Very small. Two inches long". I hold up my fingers in a ridiculously short amount (credit: ijjji). She then qualifies me on my penis, "No, it must be bigger than that", then realizes that she just qualified me on my penis size and then cringes just a tiny bit. It's awesome and hilarious to observe, especially since I understand much of the reasoning behind it.

Some debriefing after the lay and he is still shrugging.... :). Props to Dimitri.

Anyway, some really good sex and crazy positions I'd never tried before later, she's cuddled up to me and we're both naked. We talk about some stuff, and I decide to ask a brief debriefing question.

Dimitri: When did you know you wanted to make love with me?
HBWhitestilettos: When you knocked on my door this night.
Dimitri: Not yesterday?
HBWhitestilettos: No, not even this afternoon.
Dimitri: Ah.
HBWhitestilettos: When did you know? I pause for a moment.
Dimitri: Hmm... about five seconds before we did it.
HBWhitestilettos looks taken aback for a moment (continue being the prize even after the lay, guys).
HBWhitestilettos: Not when you were giving me massage even? I shrug.

I ask her about her sex history a little in terms of if she always uses condoms, how long it's been since her last fuck, and if she gets tested. I implicitly social proof myself accidentally when she inquires why I'm asking, and I say, "I always ask."

TT: Transferring a chics "buying temperature" from someone who has been "gaming" her to yourself - VERY IMPORTANT at the end of the night

2005-07-03T16:43:00.000-07:00

TD talks about how he can transfer 'buying temperature' from girls who are being gamed and almost being taken home from the PUAs/Naturals/Guys who have been gaming and raising her temperature all ths time.

It's an interesting dynamic that I would have never realized.

http://www.bristollair.com/outergame/techniques/tactics/stealinghornychicks/

FOLLOW THE SHINY THING GIRLS.. FOLLOW IT.. FOLLOW IT.. FOLLOW THE SHINY THING.. ITS GOING OVER HERE..
http://www.fastseduction.com/cgi-bin/search.cgi?action=retrieve&grp=6&mn=1072259405121074

For me, when I see its GAME ON with the tug of war, I have key tool's at my disposal:

1) Unlike 99% of natural players, I know that the key to the target is her peergroup. I befriend the obstacles and bring them ALL home together. I literally TELL DIRECTLY to the obstacles to pull her friends off the competing players, because I like and want to date her friend so that way we can all be a happy family.

2) I'm willing to sit in set and just chat the obstacles, while the players up the target's buying temperature for me, and I wait for the perfect time to make my move.[How can he afford to not have the target attracted to him? So, what is the perfect time and how does he calibrate on when and where to AMOG the guy out or wait for the right time to "game" the girl?]

3) Out-alpha tactics, posted in "Some AMOG tactics" post I did a while back.

4) Social proof and jealousy. Unlike most players, I can walk into adjacent sets and blow them up, right in front of the girl I want. [I can understand SP, What does he mean by 'jealousy?.. Whose jealousy is being used here ?]

5) Tell the obstacles that I'm gay, and worried about the target, and that I want to be her new gay best friend and take her shopping, and I want to save her from that guy. Then the friends push the girl on me and leave her alone with me, and the target has no idea what I've told the friends. In cases where the target hear's that I told the friends that I was gay, I just say either that I was joking, and then makeout and hookup with the target, or I say they're wrong, or they never said it.. Whatever.

6) I throw up the BIGGER SHINY THING.. I'll do a magic trick (I rarely use them, but I'll use them and make the competing guy player be the guy I do the trick on).. I have this one where I snatch a coin out of the guys' hand, that's not really magic that I learned at an MM Workshop. It's basic, but it works because you OWN the guy in front of the girl. I also just plow them with stories or bring over other girls and introduce them, and then tell the pawn-girls I brought over to chat the guy, and then take my girl back.

Again, notice that I NEVER give up. If I see a girl with her buying temperature up, I LOVE the challenge of competing against other players. You see this in Leceister Square in London at the end of EVERY Friday and Saturday night. The girls are walking around totally in state, and the player guys are coming up to them one by one until one of them pulls them. Crazy shit.

I really encourage you guys to have no fear of approaching even 1guy/1girl two sets, and taking the girls. You'd be surprised how often the two barely know eachother. Also, if you EVER and I mean *EVER* see natural players gaming up girls, never be afraid to go in and open ONLY the girls.

How do you know if its natural players? Hahaha, well, I hate to say this, but 9 times out of 10, if the girls look like they're having a good time (ie: they're giggly or touching the guy alot), then its a pickup, NOT a boyfriend with his longterm girlfriend. Why? Because girls aren't having fun if they're with their LTR. They usually only have fun with players. haaa, sad but true.

So if you see girls all giddy, then its probably a pickup, and you can easily swoop in and play a little tug of war with the other PUAs.

It's fun, and I often make friends with the other natural PUAs who I'm competing against. In fact some of my friends I've met in the field are players whose girls I've taken home right from them, earned their respect, and now we hang out.

I have a ton more to say on this topic also, which maybe I'll post someday or in addition to this. Tug of war is something I do all the time, and I encourage you guys to give it a shot because its WAY easier than it looks. It looks tough, but if you just use the principles you learn from ASF, you'll find its in fact very easy. Just ignore the social situation, and PLOW THEM FUCK OUT OF THE GIRLS WITH ROUTINES right in front of the guys. Easy shit, and great for ONS.

TT: Online Methods & Techniques

2005-07-01T08:58:00.000-07:00

This is a 'modified style' technique used online by JetSetJim.

My Online Method (modified Style Online Method)
http://fastseduction.com/masf/16/234038/

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from: jetsetjim jimchayvo@hotmail.com
(first login: January, 04, 2005 05:31 AM)
date: Thursday, June 23, 2005 11:53 AM

I have tried Styles online method pretty much as he posted it, with decent results, however I have come up with a profile that seems to work as well or better.

Some women (especially in E. Europe, where I am) are REALLY put off by the cocky/arrogant "I am a bad boy" attitude. I have tried to find a mix that appeals both to the women who are tired of arrogant assholes, as well as to the women who want the bad boy-caveman.

Keeping in mind that I am basically a 5 on the hotornot site (5'10/179, 280lbs/120), I have been able to set up 4 day1's out of about 30 replies, out of about 300 messages sent. That may not seem like a great success rate, but for me it is far better than any other online method I've tried.

Anyway...the profile I am using is basically David Shades answer to the question about What Women Want from Cliffs list:

"Ultimately what most women want is to be in an exciting relationship with a man that she is wildly crazy about.

There are four things that must be true in order for her to feel that.

First, she needs to feel appreciated for the unique individual that she is. She needs to feel special, unlike any other woman. And she needs to know that her man supports her in her endeavors.

Second, she needs to feel that deep intimate emotional connection. She needs to have that emotional intimacy with her man.

Third, she needs to feel like a woman. She needs to feel beautiful, sexy, and feminine. She needs to enjoy all those things that come with being a woman, and those things come to light when she's with an exciting man.

And finally, she needs hot passionate sex. She needs to be seduced, enticed, teased, and satisfied, over and over again. She needs to experience new things, in new ways, including fantasies and roles. It makes her feel alive.

And these four things can only be true for her when she is with a man that she can trust, and most importantly, that she has respect for. Respect is utmost."

I like this because it lets them know that if they meet me, they are going to get fucked, and fucked good.

The message I send (I rarely get a message from a woman) is as follows:
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Subject: It's me, the next big thing in your life

So there is a cowboy sitting in a bar having a drink..... A woman comes in, sits down next to him and say, "Hi. Tell me, are you a REAL cowboy?"

The cowboy thinks about it for a minute, then says "Well, I have a lot of cows, I live on a big ranch, I ride a horse..... "Yeah, I guess I am a real cowboy."

The woman says, "Well, I'm a lesbian. I love women, I am constantly thinking about them, about their skin, their hair, their bodies. I am obsessed with women."

After a while she leaves and another guy comes in and sits down next to the cowboy. He says, "So, tell me, are you a REAL cowboy?" The cowboy thinks about it for a minute.... ... then says, "Well...I thought I was...but now I think I'm a lesbian."

.......Made you laugh, didn't I? Well, maybe I'd be interested in you. Send me your phone number and lets chat.

Ciao!
Jim
--------------------------------------------

I used to write "send me three things about yourself I might like."
The problem with this was it beat around the bush too much. There are a million women out there who will banter back and forth with you online, wasting your time, asking stupid fucking questions and trying to qualify you...and they will NEVER give your their digits.

The vast majority of women like the joke. Usual comment is "most men are lesbians!" and "I think I'm a gay guy!" and unless they are the type mentioned above who are never going to meet someone, they pony up the digits. I think the reason this works, is because (this from the many women I have asked) the VAST majority of messages they get are SOOOO lame. They are either incredibly boring. "Hi I am x'xx tall xxx weight, lets meet." or "You are SOOO beautiful. I am SOOO rich. Lets meet" or they are wannafuck messages.

Style points out that the phone game is key. I agree. I wait between 24 and 48 hours and give them a call. Some C&F and set up the day1.

From there on out, it's all about your game. I have not had much luck f-closing, and then I went back and reread Styles original post. I think I was working too hard to be interesting, whereas Style advocates keeping your distance and gradually let her feel she is winning you over, along with some push-pull tactics. This is the weakest part of my game. I was trying to win her over...when it should be the other way around.

Since I started using the direct "send me your number and lets chat" I snagged an 18 year old (I'm 33) HB8+ who called me back the day after we initially spoke. I used to avoid the 18-20 crowd, but now...if it's legal, it's fair game.

Jim

Styles Original Online Method is posted here.

Date Posted: 2002/05/29 07:09:00 AM EDT
Author: Style
Subject: Online Personals Photo Idea/Question

Never experimented with online sarging and personals, really, and
trying it now. Here's the question:

1. Send HB a picture of myself alone.
2. Send HB a picture of me with other HBs, and say it's the only photo
I have scanned.

Has anyone tried option 2? Logically, it seems like a good idea
because:
A. It's social proof and
B. It shows you're not the typical online loser who can't handle
himself around women.

For what it's worth, in my letters, I'm mixing the standard SS letter
with my own version of cocky/funny challenging ("You sound like you
may be more than just another pretty face. I need someone sharp-witted
too, who likes a little verbal sparring, because I'm a total
smart-ass. Grew up with too many girls in the house.")

CPowles
Any thoughts appreciated. This is a new world to me.

****************************************************

Date Posted: 2002/05/31 05:54:00 AM EDT
Author: Style
Subject: Re: Online Personals Photo Idea/Question

All great advice: Thanks!

For the record, I ended up combining a bunch of ideas here. I took a
photo of myself in a group. I cropped the rest of the group, so you
can see mostly just me, but you can tell that there are other HBs in
the image. This way, it looks like a fun, party shot--not like I just
cropped out an ex-girlfriend and am looking for a replacement. It
gives me social proof, without raising questions about "who's that in
the picture with you?"

Then, I took Tzeen's advice and turned it b-and-w and added some
shadows. It looks very cool. So far, it's worked on both of the HBs
who've emailed me. (One seems quite hot in a Lisa Loeb way; the other
may be a fattie, not sure.) Curious to see how this whole online
personals thing pans out. I'll post FRs. BTW, for my profile, instead
of doing the usual SS stuff, I just posted a bunch of funny stories
that I like to tell when sarging. It's gotten a great response.

CPowles

Jay's (Formhandles) e-mail Rules

Formhandle (Jay) is the webmaster of Fast Seduction 101, the largest, highest-trafficked, and most popular pick-up and seduction site on the web.

This article is based loosely on a mASF post by Formhandle, in regards to the topic of e-mailing chicks. Acronyms used in this article can be looked up on the acronyms page.

Some of this stuff got passed around in e-mail with my buddies, they're the rules I've gradually built up when e-mailing chicks, either initially or in responses to them. Whenever in doubt of how to proceed via e-mail with a chick, refer to these rules. Keep in mind, though, that you ultimately want to focus on using the phone when communicating with a chick, limiting e-mail contact, and only use e-mail/phone if it progresses you to your ultimate goal (a lay ... if that's not what you're looking for, you're reading the wrong web site, LOL). Even after achieving your goal, don't lax on these rules. This advice isn't for guys who are already good at handling chicks through e-mail, applying their own methods, it's for guys who need a guiding hand...

Pre-rules (with some clarifications on contact closing in general):

1. Focus on g closing ("girl closing") before ever focusing on getting a chick's number or her e-mail address. The priority of close goals on first meeting should begin with an f close. Next is g close. Then a contact close. And, don't bother with contact closing unless you've properly g closed.

2. If you don't manage to get a same-day f close after first meeting a chick, and have to default to getting a chick's contact information for a future follow up, @close at the very least. If you want her number, start by @closing and then finish up by #closing. If she's reluctant to provide her number, then you haven't properly g closed. You're left with a choice of either reverting back to building up her interest or (better) challenge her in some way that displays your strong belief in your self value (for example, giving her back the piece of paper with the address on it and saying "Sorry, I'm not into playing games and am not going to e-mail you if that's the case. Otherwise, if you're really interested in having me get in touch with you later, then it's OK to go ahead and write your number down.") If you get her number first, still get her e-mail address, if she has one.

3. If a chick gives you a number or e-mail pretty easily, yet you're not sure yet of whether you've properly g closed, you can attempt this test which I sort of picked up from David DeAngelo: Look at her semi-suspiciously, but with a knowing smirk and, with a teasing tone, ask her (while handing her the piece of paper back, or before entering the # into your cell phone), "Is this a number you actually answer?" If she challenges why you're asking, finish handing her the paper back and tell her (in your own words) that you're not interested in wasintg your time calling a number that only has an answering machine attatched to it. Be VERY consistent with these words and be completely willing to walk away. If you pull this off right, only 3 situations will play out. She'll either insist the number is good and hand you the paper back or finish giving you the number, or she'll admit that it's her cell's voice mail which she never picks up (or whatever) and proceed to give you another number, or she'll bitch you out or some other shit because the reality is she was giving you a bogus number (but won't admit it). In the last case, you've saved yourself the hassle of getting in contact with her later.

4. This one I got from TokyoPUA. If a chick gives you her number, call it right in front of her after you enter it in your cell. Joke with her about it, that you want her to leave a message for herself (or whatever else is funny at the moment). If she's given you a bad number, you'll know right away, and can bust her in real-time. Otherwise, it's a great anchor for later as she'll get to hear her happy voice (and maybe also your voice) on her machine at the time she was talking to you. This is optional, but if you're a guy who constantly gets bad numbers then try it out a few times.

5. The point of having both e-mail and phone number when contact closing is, in a follow-up, you'll want to e-mail her first (within a day) and reply to her once or twice before calling, as that improves your results when making the first call. If all you get is an e-mail address (because you didn't attempt a number close, not because she refused her number) then you'll only want to e-mail her a couple times before getting her number. Don't ask for it on the first e-mail, but don't wait until your third mail to get it. Finally, if you've finished contact closing her but aren't certain of whether you've properly g closed, go for a kiss close before separating. Always aim for at least a pleasant kiss on the lips. If she goes for it, you've properly g closed and you can always decide to pull back and say "Hey, I was just thinking... I didn't have solid plans for the next couple hours, let's take a walk and get to know each other better." If she turns to give you her cheek, that's OK as that's still a stronger close than leaving with a handshake. Take it as a good sign, as she'll see your kiss as gentlemently and charming. Of course, it all depends on the context; sometimes a kiss close isn't congruent with the way you've PU'd her.

The main rules:

1. Short is better. The shorter the better, but not unless you have a really great way of structuring something to say, like a story or engaging bit of something. Just keep in mind what it was that turned her interest on in your first meeting of her - don't spend time talking about stuff that doesn't capture her attention in the most efficient way possible. Trim the fat. Then trim it some more. Some of the best first e-mails are only 2 sentences long.

2. The most important/key concept and/or question you want to have the chick focus on should come LAST, right before you sign off. NEVER put more than 1 main question in an e-mail to her unless it's absolutely necessary. And in that case, group the questions together. If you find yourself writing up 3 or more questions to her, you're making the e-mail too long (and confusing! yes, confusing) and will likely not get them all answered anyway, if at all (don't confuse her with all kinds of questions). Just ask yourself "Which is more important - bagging this chick, or getting her to answer this question?" If bagging her depends on her answering more than 2 quetions in your first e-mail, then you haven't properly g closed her and will need to split up your first e-mail into 2 smaller e-mails, the second of which is only sent in response to her reply, if necessary. The point in an initial e-mail is getting her to: remember the rapport you had with her, pique her curiosity, and get her to reply, nothing else.

3. The beginning of the greeting to the e-mail should be consistent with the way the chick tends to greet, but not word-for-word. This rule, of course, only applies once you've seen how she handles e-mail.

4. Never, ever ever, never, ever ever use "quoting" style (you know, with the angle > brackets) that us guys like to use when responding. It's like a flow of logic and chicks can't follow it. Even in work environments, chicks don't prefer to follow quote-style responses. The only reason they even bother with it in work environments is because, well, it's their job. Just quote her previous e-mail at the very bottom, if at all, and type your message to her at the top.

5. Spell-check. Write legibly and with good grammar. No short-hand unless it's necessary. Sometimes it's OK (like, using BTW or OK or "&" instead of "and"), but it really depends on the context. Remember, e-mail is not chat. Make it legible. Pretend she's an Internet/e-mail novice, even if she isn't.

6. 1 or maybe 2 smilies in the e-mail. If you can get a funny concept or sentence across as funny without a smiley, use that. Only use a smiley in the "cutest" part of your message, and never get too cute. The cutest you should get is to comment about her in a funny way or taunt her. Yes, taunt her.

7. Don't talk about yourself in your initial e-mails. Don't CLAIM anything about yourself that you can't prove through action - and, if you can prove it through action, then display the trait, if possible, through your words. But don't even do that if you can't do it efficiently - in a few words or a sentence. The point of such a display is to provide chaacter cues that will help heighten her interest of you.

8. Spend 50% of your time coming up with a good subject line, but nothing too hokey.

9. E-mail timing - figure out how long it takes the chick to initially respond and don't get too anxious to e-mail her at a much faster pace than she does. Slightly faster is fine, as long as it's gradual. If she takes 3 days to reply to you, take 2.5-3 days to reply back. If she replies back immediately, but not with a tone that makes you believe she's ready to be laid ASAP, take your time replying back - up to 2 days. YOU set the timing, she doesn't. If she doesn't reply back after 7 full days, send 1 more e-mail but make it VERY SHORT and simply challenge her directly (yet in a funny way), think of it as her "last chance", but don't actually use those words - just indicate it through cues and a subtle challenge.

10. Unless they are on vacation or away from their "home base" for some other reason, chicks tend to check their e-mail either at certain times of day almost every day or certain days of the week or both. Within the first couple e-mails, you'll be able to make a good guess as to when to optimally reach her based on the timing you're interested in. This is more important for local chicks than distant ones, and sometimes can overrule the whole waiting to reply aspect. For distant chicks (ones you are not likely to be near for a while, anywhere from 2 weeks to a few months), don't jump to phone right away and stick to e-mails - and pace the timing of those e-mails so that the communication regularity doesn't escalate too fast before you get a chance to actually be in front fo the chick.

11. If the chick uses either Hotmail or Yahoo, she's not likely to respond within the first 24-48 hours of an initial e-mail. If at all. Just accept this and don't get anxious. Go by the 1-week rule and, after that, drop her if she doesn't reply to that.

12. If an e-mail to Yahoo or Hotmail bounces, try again 2 days later (not 2 hours later). Some chicks don't check their e-mail often enough to avoid having their max inbox space filled up with spam, which causes mail to bounce. The free version of Yahoo mail has something like a 6MB limit, and Hotmail is something like 2MB.

There are other minor sub-rules, which you will learn pick up easily through practice, but if the above main rules are followed, responsiveness from chicks via e-mail gets MUCH better.

TT: Escalation of Kino - How to go about escalating the Kino?

2005-07-01T08:48:00.000-07:00

Here are some examples of how to go about escalating the kino.

from: Magnus magnus@bristollair.com
(first login: September, 06, 2004 12:05 AM)
date: Thursday, June 30, 2005 11:26 AM

>How can you escalate while
>walking around? I mean other
>than
>taking her hand or putting my
>arm around her waist.

Hand in the small of her back to cross the road.

Race her up the escalators... alright, that's not kino, but it gets her out of breath.

Link arms, British promenade style.

Grab her hand for no reason and make her run with you.

Hold hands and swing ridiculously high.

Push/pull her, literally.

Tickle her stomach and waist.

Point out another couple and how uncomfortable they look, then demonstrate better ways to walk as a couple; holding hands; but say that's not close enough together. her arm round your waist, yours around her shoulders; but say that's uncomfortable. Then wrench her neck down under your armpit, and tell her that's perfectly comfortable for you.

Then like, you know, kiss her.

Magnus

Another Kino centric post.

from: rp_5150 rp_5150@yahoo.com
(first login: May, 02, 2004 08:16 PM)
date: Saturday, June 25, 2005 12:04 AM

On 6/23/05 6:46:00 PM, nedjimbo wrote:
>
>And somehow I need to get more
>kino skills. But how in the
>hell do you practice them
>without getting a lot of slaps
>and weird looks? I mean you
>have to get SOME experience
>before YOU become completely
>comfy with the idea of
>touching a woman.

If you had to have SOME experience before doing anything,
then how would people ever learn?

Try these small steps.

1. cheesy kino, aka: "you've got some lint on your shirt" (pick/brush it off)

2. bump them with your elbow / shoulder (doing the nod with
"sup?" is optional). In fact many guys here will run
straight into girls & knock them 5 feet back (guess what
they always giggle).

3. Say "Hey, what's that?" and touch her earrings, jewlery,
rings, etc.

4. guerilla kino; use your exposed body parts (other
than hands) to touch her exposed body parts. fore-arm
to fore-arm, leg to leg, etc.

5. say "COME HERE" in a commanding voice & when she does,
do one of the above.

6. act like she's your little cousin & tackle her

7. hold out your hand, palm up. She will put hers
on top. E - Z.

-> in all of the above, never look where your hands are
going, if anything, look her in the eye.

-> never hesitate

-- robert1

TT: Use of compliment openers - Using necklace, jewellery or something as an opener

2005-06-29T11:53:00.000-07:00

Some varying and effective ways of using a small compliment opener.

One strong post on that thread by Magnus.

I use compliments as openers all the time.

For an effective compliment opener, I will

1. Compliment her - "nice dreadlocks", "cool shoes", "I like your earrings",
in a totally casual, confident, non-reaction seeking way. I even made this
work in Austin with "nice breasts".

2. Backturn, turn back to your friend, look away, disregard. If it's a
server at a bar I'll roll right into ordering without waiting for a response
"cool-earrings-could-I-have-three-pints-of-Ale-please"

3. Wait for her to re-open. Depending on how you turn away she'll tug on
your arm or swing into view.

This works on any chick, but you have to calibrate for hotness and
bitchiness, and the way they respond is different too.

Note that if you compliment mid-game, the correct structure for a compliment
is

1. Compliment "that's a great scarf, milady"
2. Qualify the compliment "it matches well your mascara and shoes, I like
that"
3. Challenge her or enquire "did you choose it yourself?"

I have to thank Geoff for introducing me to part 3, I guess RSD teach it
now.

1 compliment... "You're very confident"
2 qualify... "I like that in a girl"
3 challenge... "How did you get to be like that?"

When she re-opens you from the compliment opener, you can continue with this
compliment structure, or disregard the thread and run an opinion opener.

Magnus

Another variation..

from: sandworm@attbi.com sandworm@attbi.com
(first login: July, 15, 2002 11:59 PM)
date: Thursday, April 28, 2005 06:31 PM

On 4/26/05 10:22:00 AM, Peta wrote:
>Finally I've put it in
>writing...so know I can
>explain it too others how I
>use compliment openers...

Try what I call the "implied" compliment.

Rather than complimenting her directly as in saying, "I think you have class and style" say instead, "I really
admire women with class and style, so I just had to say hi"

The difference is, to process this, she has to think
to herself, "he thinks I have class and style". She has to
ACTIVELY have the thought for herself, instead of
just passively listening with a wall up.It's like
a Trojan Horse that gets inside her defenses.

Whether she accepts it as being true for her,
at least she accepts that YOU really mean it.

RJ
http://www.seduction.com/resources.asp

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SexPDX's report on the Juggler Workshop and how he closed a Single Mom by being laid back, genuine & social

2005-06-26T08:49:00.000-07:00

I noticed how he...
- went in with a sincere compliment..
- fluffed and was very laid back.. not as alpha or aggressive
- continued talking on different subjects.. etc.

*******************************************************
Date Posted: 2003/03/04 04:13:00 AM EST
Author: SexPDX
Subject: Juggler Workshop Review and Lay Report (VERY LONG)

The following is a report of Juggler's workshop in Vancouver (Stormwolf and myself were the participants) and a report of an airport PU --> !close which took place in Seattle immediately following the workshop.

There is so much to be said about this workshop that Stormwolf and I can't possibly cover all of the material, nor can we provide a full account of EVERYTHING that was said and done, so to deal with the length of this report I am going to cover the material that most helped me and give a few examples of situations we encountered in the field with regards to each point and subsequently give my overall thoughts on the workshop. There are some very interesting and funny things that happened that I have left out since the post is so friggin long as it is, but I will start other threads for them later (but not tonight, I am SOOOOO wiped after I finish this post, LOL).

Stormwolf and I both went into the workshop with strong game by Juggler's estimation. It was a marathon day/night workshop and the venues included, bars, restaurants, clubs, streets, malls, clothing stores, bus stops, bookstores, coffee shops, and even the beach. I am fairly positive I interacted with upwards of 100 women in two days. It was tiring. I got very little sleep all weekend, the least of the three of us. But that was primarily because I could feel my game literally metamorphosing during the entire workshop and I wanted to be awake for every second of it.

Juggler is a really cool guy. He is not only into seduction mentorship as a business but he is genuinely interested in the success of his students and many of his former students are now his close friends. We hit it off as soon as we started talking on the phone. Seeing him IRL was great. It's so cool to see the most normal looking guy (Juggler looks about as Joe-Blow-average-dude as you can get) with such awesome game. Women are into him wherever he goes.

When I showed up at the Seattle airport, having driven from Portland, to pick him up Juggler the baggage claim, I had a sarge going and he jumped right in when he saw me sarging before we even formally met.

"You will NEVER guess what Juggler does for a living," I said at one point in the convo.

"What DO I do for a living, SexPDX?," asked Juggler, "THIS should be interesting."

"Juggler is a garbage man," I began, "AND he has ANOTHER job....where he teaches guys how to PU girls. In fact I have paid him to fly out here to teach me how. He is famous for the effect he has on women, WORLD RENOWNED in fact."

Eventually I left to smoke a cigarette and Juggler continued talking to the chick for a while. He told me later that he thought she was on the edge of whether to believe us or not but he swayed her towards thinking it was a joke. If she ONLY KNEW how true it was! Hahaha! That interaction set a good tone for the weekend as we drove north to Vancouver where we would post up at Stormwolf's place. I had been sarging with Stormwolf on previous occasions.

Juggler's eye for interpersonal interaction is astonishing. He was able to observe many of my sarges and tell me exactly what the woman was thinking in such a way that I couldn't argue with. When he explained it made perfect sense to the point where I often found myself wondering why the hell something he had observed in me was not a conclusion I had come to myself. His insight has added years to my life by saving time thinking "what if this? what if that?".

Juggler Method is a process that focuses on gaining deep rapport quickly by targeting wide ranges of expression.
The goal is to move towards the feeling between you and the woman of being comfortable to freely express yourselves about anything and the feeling of mutual desire to be involved in each other's lives. If you can achieve these things, #closes, *closes,!closes, or whatever will happen naturally because they are inevitable.
The Juggler Method itself, in my interpretation, is not a series of instructions of what to say and do in order to achieve skill in the game because NO SUCH INSTRUCTIONS EXIST.
The method is more of a combination of a set of body language techniques and a conversational framework, what is actually said comes from YOU.
Relying on yourself rather than material coming from OUTSIDE yourself is the central philosophy of Juggler Method.

Juggler and I are in total agreement that viewing seduction as a battle to be won or approaching it competitively is not the best frame of mind.
Seduction is a cooperative effort between you and the woman.
The interactions are a dialogue not a monologue.
It's something you and her do together, not something you do *to* her.
And seduction should be something you do for your own enjoyment of it and not something you do to look cool to
others.
The competitive attitudes that have been cultivated among some guys in the seduction community do not help guys get started nor are they something that help guys who already have game advance their game and they are something that I would like to see abandoned.

For the record, I would like to at this time retract ANY criticism or chastising I have ever directed towards Mystery students for insisting that one has to see MM done IRL to get it because the same thing is true of Juggler Method. The body language and conversational style are a huge part of the method and it they don't come across completely on the internet.

*** JUGGLER AND "ALPHANESS" ***

Juggler's immediate observations of me were that I was "too alpha". By this he meant that I had a lot of energy which had times came off as being aggressive.

When I started as a newbie a long time ago, I thought this was important. So I tried to be as alpha as I could. My friends back home who are natural PUA's are all much MORE alpha than me and I thought I was FAR from being "too alpha" but Juggler thought otherwise. Since I don't even try to come across alpha at all anymore, this was something I did unconsciously probably as result of exposure to my very alpha friends. Juggler thought I needed to tone down the alphaness a little because since I am tall, have a deep voice, and have an expressive face with large eyes my alphaness was intimidating a lot of people. I never thought about it that way but he was right.

*** OPENING ***

The first real day of the workshop pretty much blew away any sticking point I had associated with opening. Prior to the workshop I could open fine MOST of the time but I tended to reuse canned openers a little too much and relied heavily on opinion openers (both of which I will still do occasionally).

What Juggler recommends is to enter a venue looking for openers rather than looking for targets. To look for creative pretenses to talk to anyone. Kids, UG's, dudes, old people, families. Whoever. If you can get good enough at this, starting conversations with women who are actual targets you want to seduce will be easier. Also, it's good to demonstrate to potential targets by talking to non-targets in their vicinity that you are a confident person who is genuinely interested in people and who has no problem talking to a stranger. During one exercise, Juggler had us enter a Starbucks with a smile and get into a good interaction with the first or second person we see. I talked to a paramedic about my dad who is a cop back home and about his job for a while and then over by the cream counter I managed to rally a semi-large group of people around a picture hanging above the cream counter trying to figure out what the picture was actually OF. Fun stuff.

Statements make the strongest openers. "I like..." for example is something he uses. Questions can be good as long as you can follow up with some good "value-stacking" statements following the question. Something as simple as "Hi, how are you?" with immediate follow-up in the form of statements can be good too.

As the workshop went on, I found myself becoming so interested in finding openers as a fun thing in itself that I would come up with openers and just HAVE to use them. I saw a girl in a club with white nail polish and I told her, "I like the way your nails glow under the black light." That opened really well, she was into me from the beginning.

Eavesdropping on conversations and jumping in with a relevant statement relating to the topic is good too.

Another way to create OPPORTUNITIES to open is to use what Juggler calls a "break". Both Stormwolf and I found this to be very effective. Breaks can be either verbal or physical. It is an action, physical or verbal that gets her attention but is not directed AT her.

A verbal break would be to start a conversation with someone on the OTHER SIDE of her from you and when she demonstrates attention to what is being said, involve her.

A physical break is to stand near her but look at something other than her and when you see that she perks up and looks at you, open her.

It's very hard to explain all types of physical breaks without seeing it demonstrated IRL. You can get very effective with the KINDS of physical breaks you do. Physical breaks are deadly effective opening tools. Particularly effective in the situation of two girls sitting at a table. Sometimes you have to get WAY close and actually try it a few times to actually get the break, but once you do get it and you open when it happens you are in a MUCH better position than if you had opened only by talking to them without having their attention as result of a physical break. [ VERY INTERESTING OBSERVATION]

A simple example of an effective physical break would be those we did in our approaches of women on benches in the mall.

Imagine that you are walking forward down a hallway and there is a target ahead sitting on a bench on the left side. To do a physical break you would walk by her close enough that she notices you and you turn to the left TOWARDS HER as you sit on the other side of her. This will be very likely to get her to look at you RIGHT AWAY at which time you can go right into your opener. [Physical Breaks seem kind of like PAIMAi that Formhandle talks about]

Although we did not field test this in the workshop, Juggler mentioned that he would sometimes just go up and introduce himself with his name as an opener. When I asked Juggler if he liked Gunwitch's idea of introducing yourself with your first and last name he agreed with Gunwitch that it would demonstrate a lot of confidence.

With static (stationary) as opposed to dynamic (moving) targets, there is not too much pressure to have to open with the first thing you say. Sometimes you can drop statements out separated by some lull before you finally crack the nut and get her to open.

*** BODY LANGUAGE ***

It's funny that Juggler is such an expert on body language since his own posture is actually pretty bad. Nonetheless it works well for him since the most important thing is to appear RELAXED. Perfect posture is not all that important. Besides, consciously second-guessing your posture looks bad if it comes across. Just be relaxed, when it's unconscious, it's genuine.

I never imagined there were so many body language mistakes there were in my game until Juggler saw me in action. I don't know HOW long it would have taken me to figure all this out.

I have a tendency to talk with my hands a lot. Since I am a pretty good size dude HIGH arm movements can be intimidating. Juggler suggested that I talk with my hands all I want but to keep them at waist level and below. I did it and it seemed to work well. On one occasion I was sarging a girl in a club with Juggler observing right behind me and I accidentally raised my left hand up high quickly and I slapped my left hand with my right while looking at Juggler and he cracked up laughing. Hahaha!

He also noticed I had a bad habit of "hen pecking", which is when she wants to so you something or you learn over to hear her better moving just your HEAD over to her without the rest of your body. Juggler said to close the distance whenever I have the opportunity. I did not interpret this advice correctly at first and in the same sarge as the hand-slap Juggler observed that she was really into me and liking my game but a little annoyed that I kept encroaching on her by moving myself closer to her while keeping myself square. This was another example of intimidating body language for a person my size. Instead, Juggler said that the more intimate position I should move towards is hip-to-hip. Juggler views physical closeness itself as actually more important than kino.

At one point, Juggler and Stormwolf watched me sarge a Japanese girl on a mall bench. She was into me but was a little embarrassed due to the language barrier. She spoke softly and I "hen pecked" to hear her instead of scooting my whole body towards her.

While sitting beside a woman you are sarging it's also good to be turned at an angle that is towards her rather than straight ahead.

Juggler advises to keep your body trunk still while you talk, whether or not you talk with your hands. If you do talk with your hands, make the hand movement match up with your speaking delivery and move your head towards the person who is talking whether it be your target, your wing, or someone in the group.

*** CONVERSATIONAL STRUCTURE ***

In my interpretation, the most important parts of Juggler's conversational structure are the following:

1) Generating Value by Making Statements

A statement provides value, a question asks the other person to provide value. You want to make mostly statements. In fact, we went for a few hours of sarging and talking to people where we restrained ourselves from asking ANY questions to anyone. Requests for information from others had to be phrased as a statement. Try doing this for a long time, it will change your perspective on the issue tremendously.

Ultimately you want the target to express herself and you will run into some situations where you do have to ask some questions to get that to happen but it's best to limit it. Juggler explains it more fully in this post...

http://www.fastseduction.com/cgi-bin/search.cgi?action=retrieve&grp=6&mn=103917622022773

2) Management of Conversational Threads

Anything you talk about becomes a conversational thread. Conversational threads can spin off in different directions and give rise to new ones.

Juggler recommends to let her interrupt you. Never fight her for the floor. If you have to fight for the floor you don't deserve to have it at that point. If she is talking, that means she is expressing which is what you want her to do anyway. Also, the thread that is broken by the interruption is something you can come back to later. It's best not to force it.

This is something you can practice all the time even when you are not sarging and it was something particularly helpful to me since Juggler mentioned the fact that I am naturally a long-threaded conversationalist as one of my SP's. His feedback was that the things I have to say are very interesting but they come in long chunks that I tend to want to get across in their entirety and that interacting with me can be tiring because of that.

One problem with using patterns is that guys become attached to and they always want to finish them. Juggler encourages guys to give up those attachments. Being experienced in SS, I can say that I am sure there will be times in the future I will run some patterns for the hell of it if it fits the situation well but a lot of times the girls are just not trying to hear any of that stuff and you have to recognize that. Which brings me to my next point...

3) Noticing Her Reactions

Break up your stories. Give her a chance to react. Don't feel responsible for her reaction. You should never feel responsible for her reaction. There is really not many things that are really BAD reactions. In fact you should not even need a reaction at all. When you make a statement you are just expressing, she is free to reaction however, and you pay attention to her reaction and either lead the convo or let her express depending on what is happening.

Part of the problem with using scripts and routines is that guys are looking for some reactions they think they should get but they are not. They feel responsible for the girls reaction. If one script doesn't give them the reaction they want, they'll run another and another. It is less like a dialogue and more like a monologue.

Some beginners who I have talked to say to me "Juggler's Method seems like it's just fluff. WRONG! Making strong statements about your observations and reactions to the world is VALUE, not fluff. The tendency to think in this way stems from a lack of experience and a belief on the part of some that anything that is not a packaged and prepared routine is fluff. Those ROUTINES are what is FLUFF!

Your observations and reactions to the world make you human and THAT is why they are value. Oh...and just so you know this, if you don't have observations of the world you trust enough to express you may want to consider the possibility you have serious self-esteem issues that are affecting your quality of life in an adverse way, but the GOOD THING...is that it's easily and quickly corrected.

Very important realization: THERE CAN BE LULLS IN CONVERSATION!

It's okay. You don't have to fill it up with script, after script, after script HOPING she approves of something you run by her. You say what you say from a place of genuine deeply-held belief and you need nobody's approval for that which you choose to share or express. Lulls are fine, just make sure that what you DO say are value-stacking statements.

If you have a hard time coming up with strong statements at a particular time, think about what you like and
declare "I like (whatever)...". Get her attention doing that and throw another statement down about it and watch her reaction.

4) Advancing Interactions at Conversational High-Points

Examples of Advancing Include:

- Introducing Yourself
- Closing Physical Distance
- Kino
- SOI

You want to do these things at high-points of enthusiasm in the interaction such as laughter or enthusiastically agreeing on some point that was made, etc.

Many guys will, for example, introduce themselves at a low point in the interaction or a lull in the conversation and that is a mistake. If you are in a lull, you need to stack some value with statements and get back up to a high point before you advance.

5) Positivity

You can talk about things that are a little bit negative but try to put a positive spin on it.[ The ability to put a positive spin on anything.. i.e. a positive statement on the most negative of a topic shows your optimistic viewpoint of life]. Juggler caught me on this a few times. We'd be sarging and I'd mention "I live in Portland, it's really just a small town with big buildings."

"What's GOOD about that, SexPDX?", Juggler would mention noticing the negative connotation in my language.

"What's really cool about it is that you get the pleasant ambiance of a smaller town atmosphere with large amount of people and larger city type of things to do.", I would add.

6) Changing Topics

Really where you want to be is the feeling of being able to talk about ANYTHING. Instead of DEEP rapport (talking in depth on ONE thread) what you want is WIDE rapport (ability to talk about anything. You can test this by abruptly changing topics to something totally different.

I was in a situation once this weekend where the chick was on a thread that was hopelessly negative and I could not put a positive spin on it. I changed topics right from bus bombings in Israel to bears totally out of nowhere and I pulled it off.

*** LISTENING & PROVING YOU ARE LISTENING ***

To listen is not enough. You have to prove you are listening to her.

A few ways to do this.

1) Listen with a blank, still look.

Don't react to what she is saying until she is done. React to what is said in the full context of the message. Don't nod and go "Yeah, uh huh, I see" while she is talking because that comes across as blindly agreeing and also that you are not even listening.
[Screening what she is saying, so that it's a dialogue where you don't necessarily approve of or agree with everything she says. Listen. Evaluate. Only then... React. Don't make early assumptions and give easy reactions. It takes a lot more to excite you or interest you.]

2) Amplify Her Reactions

Whatever reaction she has to something repeat it back to her in a way that demonstrates an understanding of it. If it's a negative reaction, try to put a positive spin on it. I just typed out several examples of this and none of them are going to come across correctly in text, so I have give up. That's a treat I guess will have to be left for the workshop.

*** AMOG SITUATIONS ***

Juggler was very good at confidently introducing himself to guys. Particularly befriending peacocking guys. However, how to handle a particular AMOG intrusion situation was the only major disagreement I had (and still have) with him all weekend. Here is what happened...

Juggler opened who I thought was the hottest chick in the club and left me with her while he went to find Stormwolf. Whatever Juggler said to her generated a lot value quickly because I was IN when he left and he did so quickly. In clubs you have to open with strong statements. Everything in the beginning has to be nothing but VALUE, VALUE, VALUE or you will not get in and stay in.

Anyway, I talked to the HB for about ten minutes. Good interaction. I think she was mainly just happy to be talking to a genuine person somewhere she would not expect to.

After a while a guy slightly shorter than me but well built approached us and held a lime up to me. "Here he said," looking at the lime as though to suggest I take it from him. I just looked him in the eye and didn't say anything.

"You should have this," he said, "you are a limey guy."

"Come again.", I said.

At that point the HB came between us, leaned her back against me and tried to take the lime from him.

"I want the limey guy to have it," he insisted. I just smirked and looked at him while shaking my head slowly. He walked away. I talked to the HB some more and she introduced me to three of her friends so I had a 4-set going for a little bit. After a while the HB I was originally talking to left and I mentioned the lime situation to her friend who told me AMOG was her BF.

I talked to the HB for a while after the interaction with AMOG and she did NOT mention that he was her BF. I think it's because he acted like such an ass that she was embarrassed to admit it.

Juggler's take on this is that he would not have "fought" with the guy and probably would have TAKEN the lime from him. Sorry, Juggler, bad move IMO. If I had taken the lime from him he would have said, "There you go, buddy" and shoulder-blocked me out. He was testing me to see I would let him punk me out and I didn't stand for it. I would be really curious if there were a way to recreate the exact same situation with Juggler in it instead of me how it would have gone down but I have trouble seeing taking the lime from the AMOG as the right move.

*** WINGSMANSHIP ***

Juggler's position on wingsmanship matched up perfectly with what I have always done. Wings have to be invited. I slipped up once on an escalator while he was sarging a chick and I jumped in with a comment during a lull and Juggler reminded me to let him have his lulls.

While sarging in groups at the club, Stormwolf and I would check up on each other and stand in the vicinity of the wing's group making it clear that we are available to be invited IF we are wanted in the sarge at that time. If we are not invited, then we assumed it was not necessary or convenient to invite the wing at that time.

*** WORKSHOP REVIEW CONCLUSION ***

I was thinking of taking this workshop when I was much newer to seduction and I am actually happy to have held off until now. I went in with enough game to really get a lot out of it and I was able to seduce an HB in an airport immediately afterwards for a lay. I do however, know guys who went in to Juggler's workshop very new and it helped them a lot so no matter what your level it is probably helpful.

The workshop is, like seduction itself, a cooperative effort. The
participants in the workshop have a lot to do with how it goes. Stormwolf
and I knew each other before the workshop and each had good skills. Having a newer guy along would have made it a little different but it still would have been fun. If the group were a larger one with a diversity in levels of experience (as Juggler told me he has had in the past), I could imagine it would help a lot for some more experienced guys to help Juggler in coming up with missions and exercises for the newer guys to do. Also, Juggler himself is skilled enough to pretty much open for anybody and have them be in at least for a while, or perhaps smooth it out if needed.

The workshop rocks. Juggler is THAT good, delivers the goods, yadda, yadda, yackidy shmackidy, whatever else you want to say....Hahaha!

Seriously, this is arguably the best $300 I have ever spent in my life. My game was good before I got there but it is much more polished now.

I barely got back to Portland in time for class and walking around campus and the way girls respond to me already is just a LITTLE different.

Also....dammit, Juggler! Now I can't even go to the friggin burrito hut
down the street without getting into some long drawn out conversation where people are really interested in me. Geez, what have you done to me, man?!
:-)

*** LAY REPORT ***

The problem with Juggler Method LR's I can already see I am going to have is that I have quite a bit of trouble actually remembering what was said at what time. The reason for this is that it's a dialogue and not a monologue. The chronological order of events becomes muddied in your memory when working to recall an interaction where you were you had wide rapport and were in a state of free-flow expression. Nonetheless, I will do my best.

Juggler and I drove from Vancouver to Seattle where he would catch a flight home at 11:30 pm. On the way down we talked to our mutual friend, PiQL about the workshop and we talked with Wham while waiting to go through the border.

Having some time to kill in Seattle, we met up with my friend, Opus briefly.

I drove Juggler to the airport at about 8:30. I still had a 3 hour drive ahead of me and I was visibly exhausted from the intensity of the weekend. I decided to chill with Juggler for a while inside before starting the drive down. While Juggler was at the ticket counter I was walking back and forth by people in a complete tired daze but still doing physical breaks, opening people, etc. It was like I was running on pure muscle memory after a weekend of non-stop sarging.

Juggler and I sat down at the coffee shop and talked for a while before I decided to go outside to smoke a cigarette. I invited Juggler to come with me but he declined.

Standing outside Sea-Tac Airport on the curb of the baggage claim pull-in area I saw HB SeaTac. The thing is, I didn't even approach her because she was hot. She only looked like a 7 at first in her scarf and long coat but she was a 9 when her clothes came off later! I approached her because I am now in the habit of looking for openings rather than targets and I saw an opportunity for a cool opener.

"I like the way you wear your scarf, vertically around the head like that....My friend Juggler was in France recently and he told me that's they way the wear it there....are you from France?"

We talked about travel and our experiences on our respective trips. She lived in Seattle, just got back from the East Coast and had a friend who was supposed to pick her up who she was having problems getting a hold of.

At one point I mentioned that I would think it would be cool to train sales people, not because I like the WORK of sales but because I found the interpersonal interactions aspect of it fascinating.

"You would be really good at that! Look how easily you can just walk up and talk to strangers like me.", she said.

"REALLY? You think so? Thanks a lot?"

I find it works well to respond really enthusiastically to her sincere compliments. When you compliment someone you kind of put yourself out there. I personally like it when *MY* compliments are well-received and I know it. Let her know she is making you feel good. It's almost like you are going DDB on HER.

At a high point in the interaction (laughter, I think) I SOI'd her with "I like you". She started asking me a lot of questions about how often I come to Seattle, etc. It was pretty clear she was into me. On top of that, knowing that she was in need of a ride home, a !close seemed like a very likely outcome here. I went to go find Juggler and tell him what was going on, but #closed her before I left in case her friend came by and scooped her up while I was inside.

Upon finding Juggler, I gave him a run-down on the situation and he agreed that she was into me. Juggler came down, and met her and talked very briefly before bidding me goodbye to go catch his plane.

She went back to talking about her friend who she hadn't gotten a hold of in 2 hours.

"You must feel so stranded," I said as I closed distance hip to hip and started kino, "but the good thing is that these situations get taken care of you can feel comfortable knowing that it doesn't last and that it will be okay."

"So are you going to be my savior?"

"To tell you the truth I am very hard-pressed ever to play the role of a knight in shinning armor but I will give it a shot this time."

On the way there she asked how Juggler and I knew each other and I told her the story Juggler and I had been using the whole workshop which was Juggler's dad used to date my mom.

I was so tired that it took me a really long time to remember where I parked my truck. On the way out of the parking garage she kept saying she didn't know what she would have done if it weren't for me. To which I responded C&Fishly, "I hear that a lot, what would everyone do without SexPDX?"

She expressed concerns for my safety in driving back to Portland which I was GENUINELY concerned about myself. I was making up my own lanes on I-5 on the way to her house! She offered to let me sleep over at her place. I was quick to set up a sort of poetic saving each other frame to by saying...

"Looks like you are saving me now."

"We are saving each other."

I few minutes after that I skipped the Delbert McClinton CD ahead to that song that goes...

He keeps sending me angels
Here they come a flyin'
He keeps sending me angels
To keep me from cryin'
He keeps sending me angels
Sweet and true
He keeps sending me angels
Just like...you

This whole "saviors of one another" frame complimented our matching state of being tired from travel quite well.

We talked about just about everything on the way back. Family, spirituality, past relationships, favorite movies, dogs, etc.

BTW, Juggler, I didn't actually ASK about her relationship situation but she brought it up for me which helped.

Everything was going really well except for the fact that she was nervous because the person who was supposed to give her a ride who she had not heard from also had her kids. (she has a 6 YO and a 3 YO).

When we got back to her place she put on some tea for me and started setting up the futon but I could tell she was nervous still. It was hard to tell if I was going to be able to get her to relaxed to be sexual.

She went to take a shower and while she was in there I called Stormwolf and got Juggler's cell phone number. I had hoped to catch Juggler while she was in the shower and get some quick advice but he had evidently turned it off.

When she came out of the show I saw just how hot her body was (which had been obscured by a long coat and otherwise thick layered clothing before. Yummy!!!

All the sudden we hear a not on the door and it's her friend dropping her kids off. Turns out her phone had some problems or something so she didn't get HB SeaTac's message.

Anyway, everyone was happy to know each other was okay and the kids and HB SeaTac were happy to see each other. The friend chatted with us briefly and left.

It was strange because normally the kids being home isn't considered a GOOD thing as far as !closing goes but here it definitely was!

I got in really good with her kids. They loved me. That never hurts.

At one point she pulled out some photos to look at and sat down next to me and after several sarges where I was corrected on it, I am completely broken of the hen pecking habit, I moved right in hip-to-hip.

Later on she went to put the kids to bed and that she would come out and talk to me.

She didn't come out after a few minutes so I assumed she fell asleep. At that time I was too tired to give a rip. However, I woke up at 6:am Monday morning and just reveled in the satisfaction of having had my first night of sleep that wasn't on a floor and lasted for more than 4 hours in days. HB SeaTac comes out and gets under the covers with me and we have sex.

During pillow-talk/afterplay I said...

"I have something to tell you. I have been truthful with you about everything so far...except for one thing. Juggler actually does have another job I didn't tell you about. He teaches seduction."

I proceeded to tell her about the workshop, ASF, why I got into all this, the whole nine yards. She found it interesting and was blown away by my honesty. But said, "You didn't seduce me, I seduced you."

"You are right," I said, "You did. That was the idea."

-PDX

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Being relaxed, natural, not seeking sex and just doing without thinking

2005-06-26T07:23:00.000-07:00

http://fastseduction.com/masf/24/234480/

Great FR from Ox.

Points out how he drops the "sex" out of the equation, more relaxed and natural.
STOP THINKING. Just do. Thinking destroys the game.

1 i am the fucking guns of the navarone.
2 eliminate sex of the equation( you are more relaxed and natural, therefore attractive)
3 Go to rapport quickly(question game, credit mystery)
4 think that your last set of the night can be the one. So be relentless.
5. dont think, just do. Thinking destroys your game.
6 my limiting belief that “i cant lay hotter girls” is finally dead. Dead as disco.

Wazzup: On "social circle" penetration by handing off conversational threads & bringing higher sense of ownership

2005-06-22T21:47:00.000-07:00

Wazzup: On "social circle" penetration by handing off conversational threads & bringing higher sense of ownership

Absolute Gold!

http://www.indialair.com/viewtopic.php?p=2429#2429

The first thing I do ... I don't know about SC ... is to distort my focus from the HB .... to the whole group. Interact with them crack jokes ie show that I am a social person.

Damn!! SJ, we humans have a tendency to see only the -ve side of things, first thing would be to change that .... the change in state is a good thing atleast ina club as that serves as a pattern interrupt. You can do two things :
a) Introduce your self to the other person (which is my prefered way of doing thing) or
b) wait for the HB to introduce.

Once the formalities are over with ... continue with your conversation ... now you have SP from other ppl and also more attention from the HB. Few, pointers:
1) I always start with ...."What were we talking about" ... this makes the chix think and boom she is back in the state, infact even deeper one at that. [Thought Inducing Anchors - Induction]
2) Involve the other person in the conversation and make the HB tell him/her what both of you were talking about .... now the ownership of the conversation is with HB, so interanlly she is more into you and your story or routine or pattern. Also the other person is more involved as the conversation is coming from the person they know. [Handing off thread and bringing higher sense of owenership - GOLD!]
3) Excuse your self from the group post pleasentaries exchange and them come back, to inter the group. The group will be in deep rapport or rapport .... which you can tap into. [Possible False Time Constraint / Need setup, Time Distortion and "Social Animal" DHVing].

I had posted a FR on the chix I got from a set of friends and also took guys numbers .... that should give you some more pointers.

Persistence & Calibration: The art of the laid back PUA

2005-06-19T22:58:00.000-07:00

LR: PUA-Tour: Virginia: Deer or Waterfalls?
http://fastseduction.com/masf/24/233144/

This is such a remarkable LR by GoneSavage gonesavage@yahoo.com.

It starts with a neutral opener in a coffeeshop that gets a cold response. He leaves does not fall into her frame, persists and reopens by using him showing her pictures.

Convinces her to show him around town, take him shopping with her, the university etc. and maintains lack of "interest" from his side and then SOIs her to get her to open up like hell and then she wants him bad.

I have to say.. very laid back, with a lot of finesse and calibration.

Why I should talk to all kinds of sets and all kinds of girls

2005-06-19T02:00:00.000-07:00

Think about it this way.

You are trying to establish a skill set that will help you WIN that 'MY TYPE' girl that you will one day definitely meet.

If you don't do it now, you will definitely fuck it up when you meet that 'my type' girl, because then your logical mind and emotions will take over and you will be sailing in AFC land.

Remember that and start doing long sets. You wont learn anything unless you start getting in sets with all kinds of women for atleast 40mins. SC

Swingcats Qualifying Methodology in Detail

2005-06-17T21:20:00.000-07:00

This is how the game is played boys

Swinggcat:How the Game is Really Played: SWINGGCAT on Qualifying & Challenging:

This is something I believe I need to use to determine if the girl that I "THINK" is attractive has anything besides her looks.

Lets find out how effectively I can use this.

The Tennessee Opener - Great Indirect with an SOI

2005-06-17T10:56:00.000-07:00

http://www.playboylifestyle.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=16672#16672

By Onassis @ Playboylifestyle.net

Just went for an experiment the other day.

it went like this

me : hi are you from tennesy?
her : no
me : because you're the only ten i see
her : smiles
me (dubious expression) well aren't you gonna slap me,headbutt me,body slam me or something?
her : haha why?
me : because i just approached you with the dumbest line
her : haha no.It was kind of cute
me : damn it woman,you made me lose a bet
her : what bet
me : i bet $50 that any woman i say that to is going to give me severe body injuries and now you made me lose
her : laughs
me : you know what?Kick me in the pants
her : laughs what?!? i can't do that
me : come on,it's $50 we talking here
he: laughs her ass off,i can't do that.What's your name?
me:ok i approached you with my killer line and all you got is what's your name?
her: laughs,ok,hey prince charming you're beautiful.Give me your number
me : ..........
..............
..............

I put my iron pair of boxers that day, i was so sure she'd kill me ....

OR: # close & bridge naturally with HBSingleMom8+/9

2005-06-13T15:48:00.000-07:00

OR: # close & bridge naturally with HBSingleMom8+/9

I think I got tired of SC and Wazzup on my ass :) hehe.. Well.. I think I deserve it.

Anyways, I am working from home (remotely) and realized that I had not eaten anything all day and it was around 2/3 and I was hungry. I shave, shower, dress (jeans, brown shirt) and am about to step out when I notice out of the apartment balcony window.

HBSingleMom8+/9 (could be 9+)

Background:- Young, quite pretty, & cute. Could be very beautiful if she dresses up- If I had seen her alone would probably think shes in college- Seen her around apartment complex w her 7-8 yr old daughter- I think I might have caught her "looking at me" once while she was driving (the feeling that someones looking)- Possibility that she 'checked me out' sometime during one of the apt. complex poolside resident gather events, where I was chilling with some of the young chics that work in the leasing office

Today:

THE ELEVATED OBSERVATION:

HBSingleMom8+/9 (could be 9+) just leaves her Honda Element "center" doors open to go to her apartment and I notice the daughter sitting inside waiting in back seat with a 'Rabbit Cage' with a Rabbit inside. [ AS OBSERVED FROM BALCONY WINDOW ]

I am still in apartment finishing some things before I head out to eat. I am thinking --- Rabbits -- situational--- and wondering if she will be back, get in and drive out before I get a chance to talk.

I finish some crap and notice that the cars still there the same way and think.. damn it.. this is destiny... (ive been having some thoughts of going full mode on PU over the last few days).. youve checked her out.. shes checked you out (assumed ;) ).. time to hit the iron..

THE WALK:

I walk down and realize that I had not parked my car in the usual area (which is near her apartment / usual parking) but had been lucky to park right next to my apt. (DAMN.. what excuse do I have to walk that way now).

I was like I am going to go look at that rabbit no matter what.. and talk to the little girl ( I love hanging with kids and most of them love hanging me .. ). So, as I kind of reach slightly there, I notice her perpendicular walking towards the car from my left as I walk towards it straight.

CONVERSATION MIXED (main items I can remember.. in hopefully chronological order.. slightly mixed):

- Open about rabbit..cute.. (my convo was very much mixed between HB & Girl.. Talk a bit with mom & a little with girl)- LG - ur t-shirt color matches the color of rabbit cage (purple).. HB agrees..smiles.. - does he like carrots - what do you call him? "Punsy". - what kind of a name is that.. I dont think he likes that name.. Should be something like Bugs Bunny (Bugsy), Roger Rabbit, something famous you know - He doesnt like you for keeping that name - See.. let me call him .. bugsy and punsy..- HB - Find out shes a teacher OR did she volunteer that info ? (dint ask what grade etc) - Is moving out of apt end of month (Me- I am too.. ) - Where to ? (Louisina.. shes from there) (Me - To the inner loop of city... more stuff to do..) - Since shes off from school in summer all they do is - working out & swimming (volunteers) - She Fluffs about - new fancy fitness center / upscale - New job / interviews - Find a lot of commonalities - Moved into Houston 2 years ago (both of us) - Took my baby cousin to Disney last year (they are going this year) - Co-incidences and commonalities were popping up like anything. - Joked - Eyes had marks.. liike she was in a fight.. boxing or kickboxing or something.. talked about her eyebrows threading.. and she had been kickboxing at the fitness center - Somewhere in between I bridge her to catch lunch and somewhere I number close her ( we exchange & she asks my name 3 times.. twice initially....... later when entering into cell phone) [First half of Real name is tough for Americans ..maybe I should use ALEX.. hehe say what SC.. ] - Ask her what kind of cooking she does.. Cajun Vegetarian.. I am like I am too, Indian Cuisine (we align) [Damn...Why did I not talk to her sooner] - I am like too bad we did not get a chance to talk earlier.. Its funny how a rabbit got us talking.. She says "yeah, hes quite the conversation piece".

OBSERVATIONS:- I was calm confident and very relaxed and would move my attention naturally on my own accord between LG, HB & Rabbit- She was volunteering information.. left right and center.. Said we live in # XYZ, invites to come over.. - Asks about me.. what I do where I am from.. - Asks me my number twice (When I asked her for her number I started getting the LG's number and ask LG when are we open to do lunch.. and she says anytime.. since no work.. I say.. Oh.. I wasnt asking you.. I was asking her.. LG gives me her number.. (her moms cell phone number as I find later... HB asks my number & name after I # close LG.. then i ask her number.. and its the same.. )- LG - comes and holds me 2-3 times.. like giving me a hug.. holding on to my legs..- She seemed quite happy that I had come to talk ..etc.. and was kind of looking forward to next meet- She asked me if I was a single guy (related to me moving to the Inner Loop)

THOUGHTS: - I used to originally be of the thought that if kids are involved then never meddle. But, I think the reason she is single mom could be some -ve factor with father / etc. BOTTOMLINE: SINGLE MOMS also need some loving. - Seemed like she has been out of SOCIAL SCENE for a while.. - Seemed like she has liked me from before or liked my cool, calm demeanor

NEXT STEPS: - As SC & Wazzup have been on my ass.. I want to CLOSE this one. Also because I like her.. shes very pretty, delicate..- I am thinking the following:- I dont have too much time in hand with her.. I move out 17th. She leaves town close to end of the month. - I should avoid day2 day3 day 4 scenarios.. day2.... at the most day2 venue changing etc.. and close or worst case day3 - Avoid talking on the phone.. keep the intrigue.. and stuff to talk about..

- Wondering how to set up things where we can get together but I dont know if I will be able to Escalate (which I KNOW I need to do FAST before things go STALE) with the little girl around (CONCIOUS?)- Dont know if I can ask her to not bring LG.. - Actually I think LG should be fun to hang with.. will majorly DHV and SP me.

Basically one of the things has to happen- LG - goes to sleep (afternoon nap.. or late night sleep)- LG - is taken care of (babysitter, babysitting, her friends place or somewhere)

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Some of the possible alternatives...1. MEAL (outside or at her place..she invited to come over) + SOME ACTIVITY w HB + (if LG ) + LG Sleep2. Mid afternoon / evening COFFEE.. + Walk around / GO somwhere and walk around to go for ESCALATION..

I am not sure.. this thing is kinda compllicated or I am just complicating things for myself and should go for it my way and let her take care of logistics. But I am thinking I might LIMIT her ability to handle logisics by going one of the routes.

- Note: New place that I am moving to possibly is the best location.. Its near a park and is a big house belonging to my possible roommate and he will not be in town for next 2 weeks. Maybe I can leave LG to watch movie and fall asleep and then we can do our own thing. I know that if I keep logistics right... IT WILL HAPPEN. DONT LET HER ESCAPE. (She might be a candidate for LMR & ASD due to LG)

TT: Something to thread after a direct opener to have the girl qualify things beyond her looks..

2005-06-10T11:34:00.000-07:00

Lately, I have been wanting to do DIRECT game. I have done it 2 times and the first time it was a freaking rush.. I felt very very strong, confident and my frame was just unpenetrable. Most of all I felt very true to myself, my desires and had not thoughts of HOW DO I GO ABOUT DOING THINGS. No completely successful albeit.. But I was thinking about what would be a good thread to start after the DIRECT..

"I like you, I'd like to get to know you" opener...

I came up with this.. as I was really genuinely curious about knowing this.. I just phrased it a bit..

I WANT EVERYONE TO TAKE THIS AS AN EXERCISE AS I'D LIKE TO SEE THE VARIED RESULTS WITHOUT ANYONE LOOKING OR BEING INFLUENCED BY THE OTHERS SPIN OF THE SAME..

See if you can add BL & Tonality cues after you have phrased it in your style of speaking..

- Wazzup can you enhance it and add some FINGER pointing and BL, tonality cues to the original one I posted as well as to your EXPRESSIVE VARIATION of the same.. ?

SC- How about you do the same.. ?

Everyone - Do the same without reading the STYLES of SC Wazzup and lets see how many different expressive variations we get of the same thing... SO DONT SCROLL DOWN.. do a QUOTE.. and change it and edit/clean and post.. Be True to your expressive self.

PHRASE

"Tell me.. if you met a really interesting, attractive and mysterious stranger.. and if you were to tell him three and only three UNIQUE and SPECIAL things about yourself.. what would you tell him... mind you.... its important that you tell him about YOU the person.. not what you do for a job, not the kind of food you like..... but something deeper.. that truely says something about the inner "YOU".."

"Tell me.. if you met a really interesting, attractive and mysterious stranger.. and if you were to tell him three and only three UNIQUE and SPECIAL things about yourself.. what would you tell him... mind you.... its important that you tell him about YOU the person.. not what you do for a job, not the kind of food you like..... but something deeper.. about you.."

Wazzups comments on India Lair
http://www.indialair.com/viewtopic.php?t=489

Quote:
"Tell me.. if you met a really interesting, attractive and mysterious stranger..

Self point at this point or keep your hands close to your own body.

Quote:
and if you were to tell him three and only three UNIQUE and SPECIAL things about yourself.. what would you tell him

Again self point on UNIQUE & SPECIAL, only on those two words.

Quote:
what would you tell him... [ PAUSE ?]
mind you.... its important that you tell him about YOU the person.. not what you do for a job, not the kind of food you like..... but something deeper.. that truely says something about the inner "YOU".."

Here the tonality would be very important plus
while sayin' YOU first time point towards the target.
Second time, if your feeling confident you can take her hand and put it on her heart then slide her hand down and leave your hand on her chest.
IF the voice is seductive she will get wet and her tits will be erect no matter how hard she tries not to show it ... it will show.

BTW ... XMLE ... this is a good pattern, I will use it the next time I meet a chix. And let you know of her reaction. While I was writing this I got the target in my mind.

Advanced: Daytime vs Club PU

2004-12-30T23:40:00.000-08:00

An interesting post by Razorjack and discussed by a lot of people...

http://www.fastseduction.com/masf/23/199128/

PUAs discuss the differences between Day and Night game... the pros and cons.. doing some crazy day things... and some not so crazy normal things...

"Emotional Intelligence" and the PUA... internal workings..

2004-12-24T19:04:00.000-08:00

"Little God" talks about points from Daniel Golemans book "Emotional Intelligence" and how our EQ not IQ determines how we react and act to things... and how it affects a PUA...

http://www.fastseduction.com/masf/34/191739/

topic:
OT: Emotional Intelligence and the PUA (Kinda Long (1 of 1), Read 251 times
board:
>> Off-Topic
from:
Little God danleuman@hotmail.com(first login: November, 15, 2004 02:30 AM)
date:
Sunday, November 28, 2004 01:58 AM

Note to Formhandle: I wrote this mostly for my own benefit, so feel free to delete it if it violates any of the forum rules.
It’ll be 19 sleeps until I can get back to Perth and sarge, yet I think about PU (a.k.a.: SEX!) so much that I can’t sleep. So I went through my bookshelf and tried to link some of the memes I’d picked up to the stuff I’d read on mASF. One of the things I learned at teacher’s college is that you learn more by doing/analyzing (and patching new ideas into your existing schema), than through just reading, so this is my excuse for blatant, self-indulgent KJ’ing.
BTW, any RAFC’s or PUA’s in Perth wanna induct a newbie? E-mail me!
Okay: Topic for tonight – Emotional Intelligence and the PUA. Disclaimer: I know NOTHING. So I just plagiarize EVERYTHING.
Emotional Intelligence is important for PUA’s, depending on your approach to this fine sport. For the uninitiated, EQ is a measure of how aware you are of your own emotions (a.k.a.: states). Being aware allows you to manage and manipulate your own emotions. Having high EQ also means being aware of the emotions of other people, and then being able to manage/manipulate them. If you want to learn more, the book is Emotional Intelligence by Daniel Goleman. In this post, I’ll just discuss some things I found interesting.
EMOTIONSWe are the descendents of Neanderthals living in a Picasso Carnival. Life is noisy, stressful, varied and wonderful. Emotions are normal, and make life what it is, but we don’t want them controlling us. Women tend to be more emotionally sensitive than men, and that is why some PUA’s have more success when they focus on manipulating the emotions in women. At the same time, some PUA’s have more success when they are able to control their OWN emotions in the face of social pressure.
No matter how analytical a PUA is, you’ll still see that their posts are flavored and guided by their emotions. At the same time, you may also see that they are aware (consciously or unconsciously) of how their state affects their post, and in turn the emotions of the community.
BRIEFLY: HISTORYThe way we evolved, is that we started out with reptilian brains that were designed mostly for basic survival. As our bodies adapted to changing environments, we next developed the mammalian brain (on TOP of the reptilian brain) which utilized emotions/states as a complex systems management device. Only very recently, we’ve developed the Homo Sapiens’ neocortex which when combined with LANGUAGE, allows us to get super-analytical and pick up HOT CHICKS.
The key thing to notice here is that the mammalian brain evolved to SERVE the reptilian brain, and the neocortex evolved to SERVE the earlier brains. That is why when we get emotional (like under social pressure), cognitive parts of our brain tend to shut down. This is why it’s important to INTERNALIZE BL, tonality and canned material.

EQ ASPECT 1: RECOGNIZING EMOTIONSThis is about being able to recognize when you are feeling something like anger, fear, happiness or love. Sounds stupidly simple, but a lot of people will be feeling fear (for example) and their thought process will be like “Holy shit! What do I say now? Eject! Eject!” An alternative is to recognize: “I’m feeling fear”, which is a prerequisite to MANAGING EMOTIONS.
EQ ASPECT 2: MANAGING EMOTIONSContinuing the FEAR example, once you have recognized your emotion, and the effect it is having on your game, you can then anticipate and manage it. As preparation, you could practice and internalize material. You could create anchors for yourself. You could warm yourself up into a stronger state before hitting up a tough set. In game, you could manage your emotion by changing your body movements or thought patterns, asking yourself the right questions (credit: Mr Robbins). For instance, you could focus on TD’s 25 points (slow down your speech, don’t fidget, breathe slower). You could imagine that these girls are your little sisters (ADOPT them if you have to).
EQ ASPECT 3: MOTIVATING ONESELFYou’ve gotta be in it to win it. It is better to have loved and lost… etc.. How well you can manage your emotions will contribute to if you sarge/approach at all, and whether you KEEP sarging after those inevitable shoot-downs and fuck-ups. Motivation is a complex (and fascinating) subject, but here are some quick tips. 1. Get some wings to push or pull you into sets. 2. Have fun! 3. Link what you’re doing to important goals in your life. 4. Link sarging with TOTAL PLEASURE and Not Sarging with UTTER PAIN. 5. Manipulate the variables to aim for Flow State (Read: anything by Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi – great stuff).
EQ ASPECT 4: READING EMOTIONS IN OTHERSFor me, this is one of the most fascinating things about PUA. Being able to read subtle body language and sensing the key components of PU: hooking-point, attraction, rapport, ready for venue change, ready for extraction. Reading people around the target: obstacles, the status level and intentions of AMOG’s/AFC’s. What are people feeling and what is your next step? This is mostly calibrated through experience, but once your ability to read emotions is INTERNALIZED, I reckon that’s when the freaky matrix stuff starts to happen.
EQ ASPECT 5: HANDLING RELATIONSHIPS SMOOTHLYThis is about taking a person’s feelings, and changing them. Turning an obstacle into an accomplice. Turning around a closed set. Riding the vibe through to the f-close. Managing relationship expectations so she’ll be your pivot the following night. Making people feel good. I don’t know how to do these things yet, I’ve only read and fantasized about it. Learning how to handle relationships with women is a worthwhile endeavor though, because they make up half the population. And I think you’ll find that you can learn how to manage guys at the same time.
CONCLUSIONThere was a thread I read that argued that intelligence was the most important attribute of a PUA. I totally concur, and I think that this analytical intelligence has contributed to a development of EMOTIONAL INTELLIGENCE in some PUA’s. (Oh wait… I think someone already said that, but in other words. Oh well. Repetition is education and all that jazz.)
I think that’s a great side-effect because there are some fantastic uses for EQ. I used an Authoritative Apology on my sister, and avoided our usual 20 minute “you’re picking on me” debate. I stopped one of my mum’s depressing, circular rants by authoritatively Calling Her On Her Shit. (sadly enough, she had nothing else to talk about without that.)
High EQ means you can have more fun, constructive relationships with everyone you come in contact with, and also that you can push the highs and glide over the lows in your life. And have sex more often! YAY!

Avoiding the "avoiding failure" state ...focus on the game, the learning; not the pain..

2004-11-21T21:47:00.000-08:00

A post by AlwaysExcel... that talks about avoiding the mindset of "avoiding failures"... dont dwell on the past... learn from it..

topic: LR: Break on through to the other side
board: >> Field Reports
from: AlwaysExcel (first login: July, 12, 2004 01:43 PM)
date: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 07:09 PM

http://www.fastseduction.com/masf/24/189573/

I examined my behavior at the festival and realized something else that helped my success: I failed, thought about a solution, and moved on to the next girl. It’s not about nexting people in a vengeful way because that is still focusing on the pain. It’s better to focus on the game and move forward. I’ve adopted a learning frame instead of an “avoiding failure frame.” Now that I’ve FELT the right frame, I’m consciously reinforcing it and practicing within it. The pain of failure now serves as a reminder of solutions instead of paralyzing me in fear.

That old “avoiding failure” frame resulted in so much uncertainty and frustration. I had heard this stuff from other guys but until I finally REALIZED it through personal experience, it didn’t sink in. I finally internalized an important principle! This inner game victory seemed to boost my understanding of game. A lot of theory makes sense now. My creativity is full on and I’m getting a steady stream of inspiration.

The road to success...

2004-09-18T08:10:00.000-07:00

The road to success is not straight.
There is a curve called Failure, a loop called Confusion, speed bumps called Friends, red lights called Enemies, caution lights called Family.
You will have flats called Jobs.
But, if you have a spare called Determination, an engine called Perseverance, insurance called Faith, you will make it to a place called Success.

Massive Bitchyness - Dont let it sink.. Take it lightly..Playfully

2004-09-15T15:53:00.000-07:00

Wilders post on P-L-A-Y (LA Lair)

ONE:

I actually SAW this in Ibiza last month. It's the coolest thing I'veseen in PU, and Sensei is a genius.

Sensei: Hey, I need a female opinion (or whatever, seated 2-set)
HB: Go away now (or some blowout line, really harsh, i.e. Bitch Shield)
Sensei: (Loud, playful and so everyone could hear)
OMG, this girl isAWESOME. I just rolled up all nice, and she TOTALLY shot me down.You could teach a class. I want my little sister to take it. Holdon, I'm gonna roll up again and I want you to shoot me down just likethat! (BTW, she's laughing her ass off already.)
Sensei: (Turns, two steps away, turns back and rolls up) Hi, I'mSensei, I wanted to say hi because I think you're cute (kinda beta.)
HB: Still laughing
Sensei: OMG what happened, now you totally suck. Did I throw off yourgame? I'm so sorry.

So her bitch shield fended off 100 losers and made sure she was aloneand waiting when a guy w/ real game rolled up, giving him a chance tobuild HUGE value by opening a girl that had been blowing out guys allnight.

Game on-- Wilder

TWO:

It works as an advantage because it prevents other guys from gaming that girl.

Once you can open consistently, you won't deal with bitch shields anymore.

Butthe guys without game still have to deal with them. Thus, the girl is now"reserved" for you.

So the real question is, can you open consistently, or not?

TD has written somegreat posts on how to get sets unlocked.

OR: 9/4 Labor Day weekend @ 6th Street, Austin,TX + meet Schematic & Merchant

2004-09-09T09:16:00.000-07:00

OR: 9/4 Labor Day weekend @ 6th Street, Austin,TX + meet Schematic & Merchant

I just flew back from SF Bay area and had planned a "Texas" roadtrip with my "AFC" friends. Drive around Austin, San Antonio etc.

We headed out and I was just too tired .. (burning too hot between work, bay area sarging and too little sleep.. result..by the end of the long weekend I fell sick on Monday).

We hung out the entire day checking out Austin (did not get much sleep friday night since we were driving). Evening took a 30 minute nap, had dinner and hit 6th street. (Also JimJam - my new RSD Workshop wing from Houston came down to hang with us).

OUTLINE:

JimJam and myself do a bit of street sets here n there observing wing rules & dynamics, He gets a group of 5 females to like him despite an AMOG of that group who did not look happy. We hang with them for a while.

We do a few more sets here n there.. and since my AFC buddies do not understand wing rules he would step in after my wing would open a set. I was like dude.. wait.. hold up... I tried to explain it to him but did not listen. He planned to get drunk that night.

We were pub hopping and they wanted to settle at one place and drink/dance. So we split.

---Warmups---

We do some sets here n there... I did one with a HB10 (cause I noticed an AI/IOI from her as we walked by the club) & HB6 using some opener. Get them to laugh. The HB10 slowly started acting pricey as some AMOG started talking to her. I was like hey are u multi tasking us. (Place was too loud for her to hear that).

I shouldve slightly tapped her and negged her... (I was C&P.. where I think I shouldve been C&F..- I am naturally C&F.. and I am trying to tone it down.. upon advise from my wings.. BUT DAMN IT.. it works the best on the HB9+es )

Open another single HBBlonde 8+ sitting on the couch ..blah blah... her BF comes by... we chit chat a little etc.

--- Bar Tender ---

This bar tender (HB7or8Brunette) seems to follow me as I walk around the bar.. (I guess trying to pawn me into buying drinks). I think she meant to ask if I wanted a drink.. I reply.. oh! i'll take one if you are buying me one on the house.. she laughs.. we chit chat and I tell her cmon I heard that Austin people are warm.. we just came in from Houston and already its like we dont feel welcome... where is the southern texas hospitality...she tells me that she moved there recently from Houston.. so I diss her a little.. about being from Houston and still being not friendly.. I turn and tell my wing that shes from Houston.. blah blah.. I turn around and she had poured out 2 shots for us.

I dont drink so I am like.. hey we are not doing shots until she participates.. she has to have one with me.. she pours very little out for herself and takes one.. I am like.. no half n half.. etc.. shes like she cant.. etc.. cause she is working..

I go into a (REAL) story about how a friend of mine in the UK bar tends at a local college pub and they have a unwritten rule.. ONE FOR THE TAB and ONE FOR THE BAR... I am like thats how its done...

I pass on my shot to my wing.. who gulps it down... and we get out of there..

I had waited a little in between as she was serving other customers.. (busy bar)... I called her attention using a finger..
- I should have ejected earlier.. but I think thats what WE end up doing most of the times... so I stayed.. held my ground..

MEETING WITH SCHEMATIC & MERCHANT

- We are walking and I notice 2 guys... this one tall guy with an electronic signboard on his T-shirt (Trying too Hard).. I am like dude thats so cool... I knew it was someone from the society.. but before I could say it they walk (opposite way).
- I tell my wing.. damn... I AM SO SURE THEY WERE GUYS FROM ASF... AUSTIN SOCIETY..
- We turn around and follow.. catch up to them and talk.. bam!.. they are from the Austin Society: Schematic (who just moved to Austin) and Merchant.

We talk etc... exchange numbers.. We basically tell them we dont want to slow them down..in case they think 4 guys is going to be a cock farm. Schematic is like.. dont worry hang with us.. Id like to teach if you want to learn.

On the whole what I found out from him was HE WAS BEYOND ALL THE MATERIAL ON ASF. ROUTINES ETC. I noticed what he was doing.. very strong BODY LANGUAGE and ATTITUDE.. (THE KIND THAT BAD BOY STUDENTS TALK ABOUT.. BUT DONT DESCRIBE )

Whenever he did some set, I could notice that HE WAS FROZEN in 3D SPACE. Not the slightest movement. He has a tall college basketball player kind of frame but very CALM.. SUPER CALM. He tells me about his WBAFC days etc.

SET X:

He makes me open this set... (kind of like a workshop night).. HB8/8.5 & HB7 (Brunettes, maybe latinas .. inside a LOUD HIP HOP CLUB) . I am like its too loud and what do I open with... He is like NO EXCUSES... He suggests GUY IN WHEEL CHAIR opener.. and I cant remember it.. so he does that OPENER on me... ROLEPLAYING... and I get what he was trying to say..

NOTE: He said that ROLEPLAYING.. practice was the most important thing in practicing an opener. It got u natural reactions to the openers (from your own wings) and all possible ALTERNATIVE REPLY SCENARIOS that you can practise against.

I say.. hey guys.. me and my friend were talking and I need a female opinion... (they are sitting at a high bar table). I do the WHEELCHAIR opener.. they are like depends..and they are like.. does this line work... and why are u asking this.. I am like.. cause we were wondering what is it that a female really wants and to what level they would go... we discuss looks..., money, what if he was like tom cruise in the "born on the 4th of july" movie. what if this.. and that.. I also insert the TWINS question.. what if there were 2 twins etc.. one was the best kisser and the other was someone who could understand you the best... they are laughing and enjoying it the entire time..
then the HB6.5/7 says... he has to have a big dick... and bursts out laughing.. and HB8/8.5 basically hides her face as she is laughing.. as she was embarrased by what her friend said.. etc..

At that time I am signalling for a wing to come in... (my Wing Jim Jim was distracted or busy or something..) cause i think I WAS IN.. and then we could split the set and do more with the Target..

I smile.. and say that was an interesting insight.. etc.. eject..

I go talk to Jim Jam and then SCHEMATIC .. debrief..

SCHEMATIC is like.. wait.. I'll go and do the SAME OPENER with them. He goes in and I notice that his FRAME was so bloody strong. He does not move... a millimeter when talking or standing.. He is like.. if you dont have anything to say.. or there is a wierd pause.. dont leave.. (thats what we do.. eject).. Just hold ur ground.. and stay CALM.

SET Y:

Schematic and Myself get opened by a HBWaitress7/8+ and I do a little C&P.. but he is plain CALM.. and she gives him IOIs..he asks her if Juggernaut is there tonight (he workss there and that schematic knows him) and I noticed that she was bumping into us (HIM)... as we moved around the club. Total IOI.

SET Z: (OBSERVATIONS from 15 feet)

We are talking outside and Merchant is waiting for this 2 Set (HB5/6 Blonde and HBHot(HB7/8face 9.5 Body) - in black.. small bra type top with tight pants..) to stop getting hit on by a whole bunch of guys... HBHot is being hit on big time. Merchant knows the HB5/6 and opens her.. and Schematic goes for HBHot and I can see his frame.

He is FROZEN in space. Hands behing himself on the waist. Leaning back. She is touching him and stuff.. and some more guys hit her up.. and she starts talking to them.. Schematic slightly turns his body away and starts to look at something else on the street.. She gets back with him...

She had exchanged numbers with a bunch of guys and I think she enjoyed being the tease who will flake on the guys. I think Schematic surprised her by not asking for her number after they went into rapport about she being a Cocktail waitress etc.

We did not do much as such.. but it was an interesting night watching these guys in action. SCHEMATIC was ultra-calm and Merchant had a very wierd and different Stalker look going on.

DEFINITELY PLANNING TO HIT UP AUSTIN EVERY 2 WEEKENDS IF POSSIBLE and HANG W SCHEMATIC AND THE AUSTIN SOCIETY GUYS.

Hey - Harmless, AceOfHearts, TowerT... would like to catch you the next time I am down.

Schematic - It'd be really cool to hang with you again. Next time we'll visit the long horn caverns.. have a good one.

a PU fanny pack kit to carry around ??

2004-08-25T21:06:00.000-07:00

Alessandro posts about an interesting thing to have.. with you.

from: Alessandro
(first login: November, 30, 2001 05:27 PM)
date: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 07:51 PM

madbad wrote:

> Last word of advice-- bring lots of condoms, always. One in the pocket is
> bullshit. I have a cool cigarette case that neatly holds 5...

I carry with me a shaving-bag I redesigned as a PU-pack (fannie-pack
sans the cute belt) I have in there 30 condoms, digital camera,
deodrant, cologne, cream, oil, after shave, batteries, wallet, mint and
soon playing cards. In my glove compartment there was a new tooth brush
I baught for myself, but I picked this girl who slept over on Sunday and
she used it. I am thinking of getting another toothbrush in there ($2.5,
but telling her "stop by anytime, you have your tooth brush here" was
money.)

[snip]

--

http://www.geocities.com/asf_stuff/

Night Club Isolation Edition - Sunday Chat

2004-08-25T20:43:00.000-07:00

Interesting method.. TO DO.. research and then find the routine.. POST HERE and then USE.

topic: Sunday Chat (Night Club Isolation Edition) (1 of 1), Read 178 times
board: >> Off-Topic
from: Alessandro
(first login: November, 30, 2001 05:27 PM)
date: Sunday, August 22, 2004 02:07 PM

I have a few questions about my club game and how to close horny and
very interested chicks back to your home. I have been using the "are you
photogenic? I don't think you're [then story about my in-home photo
studio and making her a rockstar]"

It works somehow, but it is not a magic bullet. Girls just make out with
me, or grind against me, or just use me express their overall
frustration with men and tell me I am too cute/unique/cool but never
really fuck me :-/

If you know how to fix that shit, preferably from experience, then stop
by the chat thinggie and help the brotha out.
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FR: 8/19-8/21 : 3 nights - AMAZING REALIZATIONS!!! - Part II

2004-08-25T19:45:00.000-07:00

SATURDAY:

Wings: Oscar, YBatman

I slept for an hour or so, got up and saw missed calls. Took a shower etc. and returned calls to Oscar & YBatman and we planned to meet up and try something other than the Marina this time.

We had been going to the Marina and thought we should make a change. We decide to head to Broadway (North Beach).

NOTES:
I had gotten some rest and was relaxed to quite an extent and I think this is one of the reasons why my state during sarging and being out was more fun. I wasnt forcibly dragging my mind and body out.

I dont remember the entire night ... but we did a few here n there.. I will post the ones that make most sense to me or I remember...

VENUE: Bubble Lounge

We went in twice to that place...and walked around broadway in between

Step in and there is a decent crowd and we walk through. Scope possible targets and observe

SET 1:

Oscar opens some alone female at the bar (from what I thought) and is talking to her for quite a while.. It is packed near the bar and he has a few more females around who he is infrequently talking to.. I wait around to see if he needed a wing at any given time.... He steps out and de-briefs...

Apparently she was going into Rapport with him before he even tried and he wanted to stay in the Attract phase...

I dont know if that was good or bad.. and how would you guys suggest it be handled ?

SET 2:

An asian promoter females opens us and invites us to a singles event and I get more details... She starts saying.. I say.. whats the catch.. and start busting her on ..what kind of ladies are going to be there.. etc.. and say it better have some pretty ladies with personalities to match... etc.. and say that this event thing better not flake or I will have my company lawyer send out a bounty hunter to come find her.. she

SET 3:

Oscar opens a 2 set HB7-8 Latinas and is doing his thing.. I drop in asking if he had seen "XYZ" and he Accomplishment Intros me. saying.. he is the coolest dancer you guys will meet.... and I am like oh.. cmon.. u did not have to tell them that.. and say he is being modest he is a really cool musician.. and DJ... Since he was already in I believe that there is no point in busting them (this is what I learnt from Oscar.. dont bust when IN.. unless they SHIT test again..).. We chit chat about stuff (I dont remember)...

I slowly figure out who is the Target and I start engaging the other Latina.. following things in some order that i dont remember..
(we had found that her friend was from Houston..and the location in Houston. where I am from.. )

- she mentions shes from XXXXX, CA... and I am like.. hey i just went driving there today for a road trip.. the beach w some people... and I had a bunch of pictures from earlier that day on my nice digicam... Instant Storytelling... and identification with place she is from...

- Slight backhand neg compliment about her having a colorful 70s hippiesh look.. and shes like no.. im like oh.. i really like them but its got a cool retro-ish feel to it.. and during that.. i point screen of digital camera to shoes.. and point out shoes have same retro-ish look...

- Find out she is into Fashion school and mention a friend of mine who is in the industry and used to be my fashion consultant when we went out shopping and now i cant use her help as she is in NYC.. and I am now in SF Bay area.. She offers to be my fashion consultant now and help me shop... I am like I like window shopping more than shopping.. blah blah.. she buys my frame.. we should do that.. etc.. but only if she is not going to flake etc.. cause i dont like people who give you contact information and stuff.. If I get the answering machine I am not going to call back... u better pick up...

# close her.. while i key in her number ...she says it and i cant hear so she takes my phone.. tried.. says can u clear it.. i clear it.. she keys in the #... and saves it ... I take the phone and I am like... hmm..she leans in and tells me its under 'J'.. I am like.. Im sorry i forgot ur name (did not get ur name).. she tells me.. she says u can change it later...

- Oscar indicates.. lets move...

- We took pictures with our respective female targets...

- Mention to THEM we should hang out.. and stuff... and suggest and get them to kind of affirm driving to NAPA valley for a kind of day trip ..tasting wines etc.. blah blah.. ( attention away from any one of them.. ) So let me know if you guys are seriously game for that or not.. otherwise.. i wont call them..

SET 4: (Extensively broken down)

I open 2 set HB8.xs (dont remember exactly) Brunette and Blonde (both slim, tall and classy cuties). I open with the best friends (are u guys best friends.. cause i dont know but it kind of seems like that.. ) they say yes no.. (look @ each other).. rephrase.. close to each other etc.. find out they are roommates... etc.. point out X number of similarities.. etc

(NOTE: I realized that its not the ROUTINE, but HOW you RUN IT.. and that night I was calm, relaxed, conversant and natural w the routine..)

.. roomates.. so i ask where they live.. they are like 4 females in a place in the city.. cool.. where in the city.. she is like.. i hardly know u, i cant tell u... i am like are u accusing me ..that I am a stalker...I turn back and close my body language.. (in a teasing & playful manner.. playful smile the entire time)...

somewhere here OSCAR joins in ( I accomplishment Intro him like before) and I tell him arent they like best friends.. blah blah.. and they are accusing me of being a stalker... (every now and then i turn around and talk to Oscar and we take attention away from them.. I AM NOT SURE .. but I think we did a few Hi-Fis or something of the sort)...

somewhere one of them Shit-Tests about being married to each other (lesbians shit test).. and I am like.. "cmon.. now how many times have I heard that one.. hehe.. .. forget that... how many times have you used that line to brush off stupid guys" (I do all this animated... with a playful smile and body language. that was leaning back and twisting away from them..)
... they burst out laughing.. and one says.. i ve got to give you credit for being intelligent etc.. I am like theres nothing intelligent about it.. thats common sense... what kind of stupid guys do u meet...

one of their 3rd roommates came by once.. and before she says stuff i open her (to befriend) and ask her.. do I look like a stalker.. she says no.. and I tell her that her friend thinks I am a stalker etc...

RESULTS:
- the blonde leans in twice
1. Once to ask my name and shake hands with me.. I am still leaning back.. (they were leaning on the back of a couch and lean forward to shake my hand..)
2. Once before she was leaving.. she leaned forward quite close and held my hand for quite a bit while i playfully talked to her.. it was the handhold where my hand is holding the girls hand and taking her to the dance floor kind of hold... (YES.. I realized that later.. )

AFTERTHOUGHTS:
- I think she wanted me to # close etc..
- I think I should ve number closed THEM.. as such.. (both) for the following reasons:
- they seemed like cool girls (2 friendly + 1 pull away + 1 unseen) living in a nice location in the city..
- a great place to crash (& maybe attend their parties... 4 females = lots of house parties )
- probably amazing for SP & Pivots.. IN THE WORST CASE. (I think SF has a lotf hotties that know each other.. or tend to)

Good points:
- BL .. relaxed, laid back, twisted away at times..confident..
- Smile - throughout... playful
- eyes - playfully disapproving and playful ... (lots of variations)
- conversation - relaxed, neutral and playful..

REALIZATIONS:
- Too much Cocky is only good for HB9 plus or 8.5 plus... the hotter the babe the more C&F she will enjoy..
- PLAYFUL is the best MODE to go in..
- HAVE FUN with your WING.. nothing shows DHV.. and social being more than YOU having fun w ur wing even when u are talking to them.. by taking attention away and passing high fives..

MISSC SETS XX:

YBatman got opened by a whole lot of chics who came by to comment on his glow-light t-shirt.. Man Ive got to get one of those.. Y cmon let us in on the secret..

One set on street 3 HB Latinas.. opened with Gay Shirt - They said.. Metrosexual... blah.. blah.. eject..

One asian who I kind of commented while she might have possibly squashed my pizza while adding the parmesan... she smiles.. and stuff.. My intention was to compliment her on her pink top and ask her what is it about so many females these days with the pink thing.. is it like the fashion thing...

NOTE:
Unless targets are decently attractive my interest just fades... or they have to be playful and conversational..
something to INTEREST my brain to keep them engaged.. or i get bored by...
- unattractive OR - cold non-interactive females..

OSCAR PLEASE POST YOUR COMMENTS IF POSSIBLE.

ANY SUGGESTIONS, INTERPRETATIONS & ADVISE WELCOME.

FR: 8/19-8/21 : 3 nights - AMAZING REALIZATIONS!!! - Part I

2004-08-23T20:28:00.000-07:00

FR: 8/19-8/21: 3 nights AMAZING REALIZATIONS - Part I!

FR: 8/19-8/21 Thu, Fri, Sat - 3 nights of mayhem, improvement, REALIZATIONS

THURSDAY:

Wings: Sol, Oscar, Zanther
Usual Thursday night at downtown S Jose. Tired but just pushing myself to be out there.

Did not open a lot of sets. Tried to sort of wing the sets Oscar opened. Some sets Oscar made me open.

Opened a bunch of sets where each time I somehow got bored and ejected (or they got bored of me).

At the end I was forced to open a few sets... Sol just put me in front of a single female.. I was surprised but so was she. but she smiled.. i smiled.. said some crap.. she was not interested..

My State was low... and it SHOWS. The thing is ...IT IS NOT WHAT YOU OPEN WITH.. IT IS HOW YOU PROJECT A POSITIVE VIBE..

A female can sense your state... If you go out make sure you have fun..

FRIDAY:

Wings: Oscar, Zanther

State a little better as I dont have to work tomorrow. We head to the Marina and do a few sets here n there..

SET X: 2 females Oscar opens using some opener and i step in after a bit, engage and distract the other female for quite a bit using open ended Qs.. and some ok humour.. Held her for a bit.. they were both from Chicago and one was visiting one had recently moved.

NOTE:
I noticed that the best reaction we got from them was when the focus was not on them but when Oscar & I talked about something turned in and out.. taking that attention away and back.. away and back...

FACT is .. I think this is what brought the wing dynamics game to another level..on Saturday

SET LARGE: Mixed Huge 10+ people.

The interesting set I remember as being positive memory to some extent was with this huge set when we were crossing a street and waiting for the light..

huge set of white HBs with equal or less number of guys.. probably 10+ people..

no specific target... i just exclaim.. without turning body towards them - wow.. looks like u guys got some kind of high school reunion going on.. and a bunch of people react w different things.. yes.. blah blah.. this one female.. reacts more.. as we are crossing.. she is like... being loud and having fun.. im like.. how old are you..? (with a inquisitive look)... shes like 23.. im like ..no way.. ur lying arent u.. cmon... u sound like a little high school girl...who recently graduated (i say it with a playful friendly vibe..) she starts to qualify.. walks all the way up to me.. follows me.. (still crossing road).. i bust her a bit playfully.. shes like i'll show u my ID.. im like thats ok.. (some fluff) she takes out her id and gives it to me.. i look at it and then her.. smile and playfully.. say i cant believe this.. where did u get this fake id.. hehe..

i mix in some conversation with the guys & other people to be-friend.. (this was a very distributed set.. no one walking close to each other.. people coming in left & right to pull her distract her and others.. )... i say.. hey guys.. she should be careful.. ive seen her id.. and her address.. what if i stalk her.. etc.. i play that for a bit.. u know u got to be smarter than that.. i could be stalking her 24 hours a day now... hehe.. AFCs reply.. u probably not that kind.. im like what if i was.. what if it was some other guy... they dont CB anymore..

their entire set was moving and so was i.. and she is walking near me.. w me still disapproving her.. and her qualifying.. i am like.. u know what ..ur so cute.. i'll just adopt u for a little sister and hold her by the waist as we walk.. she is close to me holding one.....then i stop and say.. u know what since ur my little sister.. u can take me shopping.. shes like she cant afford to.. and she spends a lot so i shouldnt.. im like thats alright.. i just need her to help me choose stuff etc..

run some more playful stuff on her... she was a JOY to talk to.. playful... of course with the huge number of her male & female CB friends... who were coming from every direction... she left w a smile... it was FUN.. hehe..

THEN i turn to look around as I had walked a block or so with her... leading the way... (her friends had been left behind and so were my wings... ) I couldnt find my wings until 2 mins later when i see them walking way behind... far..

I walk back to them.. and we debrief..

AFTERTHOUGHTS:

Maybe Oscar could have helped eliminate the CBs or in fact drag in and engage some HBs from the group.. cause holding such a group on the street ..tough.. esp when they were heading in different directions..

I did not target her as such.. she happened to be the one in the group that responded .. so I said.. okay.. lets play.. :)

Oscar ? Advise ?

I think this kind of a thing gets me going.. the effect was obvious on Saturday...

did a lot of de-briefing with Oscar during drive to SF and back...mistakes..interests..successes.. it was great.. Oscar is the coolest guy from the LAIR... whole lotta fun..

I learnt one thing.. a wing and you must be like buddies... know each other.. else u might not appear congruent.. and because u dont know each other.. u wont vibe together.. I learnt quite a bit about Oscar and stuff.. and we shared our interest on EXOTIC DARK HAIRED women... hehe..

Saturday night report is a whole lot better.

FR:(good) 8/7 Sat night mayhem at SF (Marina)

2004-08-11T16:03:00.000-07:00

FR:(good) 8/7 Sat night at SF (Marina)
Wings: Zanther, Yeyer

THURDSDAY NIGHT I WAS JUST NOT SOCIAL ENOUGH SO I SAID TO MYSELF YOU NEED TO BE PLAIN AND SIMPLE CHATTY.. ENJOY BEING OUT AND AROUND PEOPLE.. JUST HAVE FUN..

Being new to the area, I had been in touch with Zanther from PaloAlto but until Saturday all attempts to get together with him and sarge had fallen through. We finally meet near Stanford and drive individually to SF downtown and meet with Yeyer outside Matrix.

(Thanks to the guys for showing me around town.. being new and tending to get lost in the city..and not knowing the places to go and hop between makes it difficult)

Planned to hang with Kenny (maybe Metro) and Will (who headed to a Burning Man event), but did not happen.

SO ANYONE ELSE... WILLING TO WING.. and SHOW a guy new to the AREA.. let me know..

Mental State:
Ready to push myself to be open, chatty social and dont care. Tired but still mentally amped as I dont have to work tomorrow morning.

BEGIN:

Meet Zanther and Yeyer outside the Matrix (after getting lost around the City.. ). They notice that it is too crowded so Yeyer leads us to another place (Bar None? or some other place)

Walk-in go and come back from restroom and notice lack of open sets as this is more like a restaurant

Set 1
until i notice a large table with 8-9 HB Asians (which I found out later was a Bachlorette party). I tell them lets go open them, they are like no, too many, and at table. I am like what the hell.. I'll take it as a challenge. I like to entertain groups.
Go in with false time constraint (i have to go w my friends) Opinion Opener (about asian girls and asian guys being territorial... seen that in Houston) and start playing around w some C&F, with very positive vibe and keep them engaged. I pretend to turn and, leave and basically go around the table to the Bachelorette and start talking about a prev bachlorette gang where the bachlorette had a list of things (nasty) on her t-shirt that she need to check off. (The bachlorette keeps saying, you need to serenade me..) I keep my frame and I am like whatever.. thats boring and keep talking about how bachlorette must do things before she gets married etc. take her persistently.. and make her close her eyes (she hesitates), i twirl her around, hold her by the waist.. etc.. play with her a bit and the gang.. but i think i ran out of entertaining things to say.. or holding 8-9 HB Azn attention in a loud place might be tough.

Afterthoughts:
I could have used a wing or two to come by and start a thread that allows us to split the gang (divide and conquer) and maybe select a target and do a # close and then maybe a dance close (since i almost danced w the bacholerette) and some more attract and take away ?

I discuss the afterthought with Y & Z, that they shouldve come in and helped me out. I guess next time they will.

Venue change to other bars and a karaoke bar and open a few short sets w some comments etc. w takeaways

Set 2
Walking back to Matrix, outside Matrix, 2 Set Latinas, HB7.x, HB8.x and use false time constraint and open, need a female opinion on my shirt (nice stylish).. that an old girl friend bought me as a bday gift and i liked,but my friends said was gay, etc. what'd they think.. they are like laughing and they are touching it n saying its not gay.. its stylish.. and metrosexual ..and think it looks nice.. etc.. uve got to come w me and tell my friends.. etc.. thank them for the opinon and I do a take away.

Afterthoughts:
I think i shouldve dont some more routine stacks or if I had pre-synched w a wing, we could continue that discussion with my wing coming in (as anti-shirt) and me as pro-shirt and us splitting the set and starting other threads

We go into Matrix and I am like guys we are not opening enough.. we need to open, approach open..

Set 3
I am passing through the crowded bar and this HB8.3TallSlimAzn (semi-tipsy) drops some of her drink on the back/shoulder of my shirt.. I turn around and bust on her and she apologizes etc. I keep busting on her, she gives me a hug, n i say.. im not that easy.. this is a designer shirt and shes gonna have to make up for it.. she gives me a kiss on the cheek.. im like hey.. i dont even know u.. I walk out of the crowd near the bar with semi-cockysmile-semi-disgust-w-her .. and she follows and holds me..and apologizes.. and sits down on the seat where i am standing.. I sit next to her and bust her.. why she drank so much that she spills.. she mentions its her bday.. i bust her and ask her if n what she got as bday present.. nothing.. so im like.. i can give u a bday present ;)..she lights up.. I say.. but uve got to clean this shirt, and u have to cook for me.. can you cook tofu? Shes like yes.. I am chinese.. I say.. good SPICY TOFU , Singapore Style.. that tingles your brains.. I like spicy food, shes like yes..w a big smile.. [Note: all this time since the bday present thing.. she is completely and purposely leaning on my side.. and im not returning any kino.. ActiveDI]. I ask are you rich? yes.. i said you have to take me shopping to cover for this shirt.. etc.. she is eating it up.. and totally kinoing me..

She says she has to go outside to smoke (2 times) (i assumed and noticed she was part of a set.. w atleast one more female), I am like whatever.. (she says again), so im like.. ok go out and when u come back.. look for me and then we can talk about her cooking TOFU for me.. I takeaway as she heads outside...

Afterthoughts:
I dont know if that was a hint to accompany her outside, lead her and BE THE MAN, so that shes not responsible.
-I did notice her MUCH later (after I did the following sets in Matrix) inside with some guy and I called her on her promise to cook me TOFU.. she smiled and I think she had gotten more drunk and was probably no point.. (the guy shook hands with me.. etc.. being friendly to me)..

At this point I totally could not find Y & Z and since I dont know my way around the area, I try to find them for a while. Searching I pass Z and bump into him... and..

Set 4
HBBlondeTall5, HBBrunette6(could be 7or8 if slimmed up)

I go.. hey Z, did u find Carlos? (there is no Carlos) and make n excuse saying ive been looking for him.. and then I notice that Z was almost blowing out of the set.. so Im like.. hey guys is he giving you trouble.. are you sure? cause.. he is the coolest freaking guy in Palo Alto.. I do some fluff and energy stuff (dont remember) [Zanther.. can you fill in what I said here] and do:
The best friends test, and they are like wow! thats quite an observation
Then take them on the Angel and Devil thing ..they are like and then do what.. I said it would be so cool and then we can get stupid guys to buy us drinks.. etc.. I tell one girl shes a devil and then switch nicknames.. cuz one of them says something..
I think they were entertained and stuff.. I had no idea how to split them up.. etc.. and slowly we exit.. as I was out of things to say or do..

Z was hanging around.. I dont know if he had some suggestion at the time.. to keep it running as I ran out..

Set 4.5

I opened a 2 set HB8.5RedBlonde, HB7BlackNWhiteBrunette with devil (she is in red) n angel (white).. but they were non conversant so i spoke for a bit.. about the devil n angel thing.. and then ejected.. (maybe I shouldve negged some??)

Set 5

HB8.xAzn & HB6Azn just outside a restaurant (it had a nice reddish lounge like look), I open HB8 ask her what kind of place is this.. she tells me its a rest .. i ask and comment about sushi and if its any good and somehow i transition out to how they know each other and they are upto.. HB6 steps back in as I am engaged with HB8 (find out she is a bachelorette) and she kinos me.. HB6 comes back trying to get them back in.. and I say we need to walk down like James bond and one lady on each arm.. they eat it.. and then Yeyer suggests taking a snap.. ( Zanther joins in ) and we take a group picture and we say good byes..

Later when we come back from the bar we went to and pass that restaurant again I think I'll step in to the place and check out the scene.. and since I have already befriended them, I'll get a chance at opening some targets with some "perceived" SP. Too bad, the door is locked, so I knock on the glass a few times and they turn and I TEASE them with my tongue out and my palms with fingers stretched out and thumbs on my ears.. funny faces.. get them laughing and walk..

Afterthoughts:
Damn locked door..

Sets (Others)
Did a few High 5's with some set on the way ..

Set (from Matrix)
- 3 set - HB8.3Latina, HB8.3Asian, HB7.3Italian/Greek??Little Chubby
- A bunch of girls that were really loud, who I had busted on etc.. and sort of play argued with were at the Pizza Orgasmica location in line.. and loud again.. so I bust them a little again..

Afterthoughts:
- I shouldve engaged them, but knowing their highly interactive nature.. and them being challenging I knew that once I get into it they will throw a lot of Shit and CBs.. so I needed some wing to assisst with DIVIDING them.. I guess next time..

NOTE:

- I tried to push and put Yey and Zanther in the spot by the following things:
- when i say approach a set, you approach (this pushes you to do things you would not.. challenging..)
- I learned this from some guys in Houston who had done the RSD workshop and essentially you make it a WING GAME. I challenge you and you challenge me
- I think at times when I make excuses not to approach I need a wing to PUSH me to go ahead.. It usually works.. HIS persistence for me to GO.. wins over my ANXIETY not to GO.. (helps..). I TRY TO DO THE SAME... ESSENTIALLY we end up having fun.. by pushing each other like DOUBLE DRAGONS training each other on a secret martial art..

PS: If I missed some other sets or things.. I believe they might have been insignificat.

FR: (Bad) 8/5 Thu night at Downtown San Jose, CA

2004-08-09T23:19:00.000-07:00

FR: (Bad) 8/5 Thu night at SJose
Wings: Oscar, Sol, K

Being new to the area, needed some wings to guide me about the nightlife. The only people who actually responded to this new South Bay Transplant were Oscar n Sol. Meet up with them at Oscars place where he has a really cool asian type bamboo curtained bunk bed cavern (oscar.. u shld post a pic).

Mental State:
I was plain tired from work and had to work the next morning so was semi-distracted by that thought so I did not really OPEN and do too many APPROACHES. The objective was to learn about the area, and see these guys in action. (Oscar & Sol do a pretty good tag team). To say the least I was kind of disappointing as I kept looking at the bloody watch.

NOT VERY SOCIAL.

We walk to SJ downtown (5 mins from his place). We head to the first bar.. I hesitate a lot as I see Oscar & Sol open do their magic. But it was interesting to see them work their magic.

Set 1 -
K opens a 2 set (HB7.5Blond, HB4AsnMx?) sitting next at the table next to us with the DyeHairBlondorBlue Opener from behind me and I turn after a bit and support his thought, when they desist, I say some stuff and walkout as I got a ph call from some family. I get back and K is missing so I call them on having driven my friend away.. they were not friendly to him etc.. they just say he left etc.. and qualify saying they did not do anything.
I spoilt it as I kept pushing that same angle (couldnt remember anything interesting or funny opener - blank brain) and then I am like why do girls come to clubs and then not talk to guys etc.. (pushing it WRONG)..ouch!.. then they were like we just came to hangout and we have BFs.. I was like yeah whatever and eject.

Afterthoughts:
BAD BAD BAD.. I sucked there. I think I had some possible AI from them that I fked badly.

Oscar / Sol closing the 2 set they were on and I could not find them until I spot and then we venue change

Sets at different venues -

- Passed by one mixed 5-6 set at a table at a bar who were making loud noises.. and shout out.. oh! wow .. farm animals.. (good opener but bad mental state)

- Passed by a few sets on the street

- Notice this HBLittleThickHot7Latina talking to / giving this black dude her number while curling her hair with her fingers.. so I shouted out as we passed, "hey dude, shes brushing her hair like that.. it means she is interested" .. and she was kind of shocked or surprised that i caught her on it and she gave me EC .. i turned and walked

Afterthoughts:
Damn it, I dont know what the fuck was wrong w me.

Set 2 -
3 set of latin ladies with HBUG, HBSlimCute7, HB5 (who Oscar knew and she or he opened) after Oscar HiFived HBUG who did the high five very low energy. So taking his SP, I high fived them by saying hey.. you guys just dont have any enthusiasm or positive energy.. and get a good HiFi from HB7 and then from HBUG whos hifive was low energy again. I busted her and then she high fived properly. (During this time Oscar was talking to HB5

We discussed and wondered were they were headed

Afterthoughts:
Damn! we should have just asked them to join us and led the way or atleast joined up with them somehow (maybe by adopting them power puff girls after the cute high 5s)

Set 3 -
Oscar & Sol are gaming somewhere in this bar and I open a 4 set 2 HBAznsOk, 1 HBBlonde8 (who was away doing somthin) and 1 AFC (away). I dont know what pathetic opener I used and bored them and ejected.

Set 4 (Good or Better than the rest)
Myself and K sit at an empty table and watch Oscar & Sol wing, discuss whats happening when an HB7.8CuteRedWaitress asks us if we need anything and asks
HB: if everything is okay..
X: I kind say yes.. BUT.. theres something bothering me.. somethings wrong..
HB: she is like what..
X: I kind of say that the red top she is out (red is out) and pink is new.. for 2004 etc.. thats not good to wear red
( I am actually wearing a red shirt, so i know that shes gonna point that out) How come you are not wearing pink it is the color of the year..
HB: I am not a princess that wears pink etc..
X: Even then, it doesnt mean anything.. red is so common and boring now..
HB: But you are wearing a red shirt too..[ This is a very cool pimped out shirt that I always get compliments on]
X: Yeah, but i am guy.. its okay for me.. for a girl .. esp for a bar waitress.. you cant be wearing boring out of style clothes (bustin her a little)..

I start touching and checking the fabric of her top strap and then her bra/bikinitop strap and keep busting her.. I go oh! my god.. (touch her thong from the side.. pull it a little) and say.. even ur thong is red ... ow! you are out of fashion..

[ I do this entire thing with a confident calm smile..playful..]

Slowly she begins to kino my arm and stuff and is not just going away with me teasing her about that and kinoing her thong strap..

I get slightly feel good but since my brains were not really working ...poof! she passes.. maybe i shouldve reapproached & closed ?

Afterthoughts:
Maybe I am just doing mental masturbation, that she was genuinely attracted. ( I am good looking, good smile and playful)
OR
She was just being the flirty bar girl... (but i dont know if she wouldve kept it up so long.. after knowing that we are definitely not buying any drinks.. and she did not even ask us after if we wanted any)

Maybe I couldve transitioned and # closed by saying.. "u know what, you buy me a nice cafe and i' might show you how to shop and wear the right stuff"

Comments?

A few walks and poor state.. I am irritated and disappointed in myself..

I PROMISE MYSELF TO MAKE UP FOR IT.

Fighting approach anxiety

2004-07-31T09:40:00.000-07:00

Fighting approach anxiety
Fighting Approach Anxiety - girls want to be approached...

An interesting article that talks about how a number of females have confessed to having waited for these guys to come talk to them, to hit on them and all they have done is HOVER around, stare, make contact and not really make a move.

It basically says.. females WANT to be approached, so there is NO NEED to have approach anxiety... it is stupid to have Approach Anxiety.

So... remember this lesson and GO OUT AND APPROACH

Dynamics of different venues: styles, people types, groups, scene, behavior

2004-07-30T21:26:00.000-07:00

A very interesting off-topic post by Alessandro - Talks about various venues, the styles that people go with and the kind of social groups and dynamics that exist at these venues..

definitely good insight into the social dynamics.

Styles, Groups, Venues. (1 of 4)
Alessandro

http://www.fastseduction.com/discussion/read?167165,34

QUOTE:

I am noticing that more and more 'A' crowd people tend to dress radically different than their close friends, FBs and people normally in their immediate social circle. Like you see the asian skater guy with tatoos and piercings going out with a black chick in standard club gear. More and more guys are wearing ties while their girlfriends dress very goth in long victorian dresses, hair dyed red or black, tons of make up, etc. Or maybe the opposite; professional type chicks going out with the "former punk" guy who put on a little weight since his last European tour ;-)It is only in college bars that you see people wear the same crap all over; American Eagle, Von Dutch, Abercrombie and the dispecable trucker hats. The good news is, chicks at these places are ULTRA easy, specially if you look the least bit different. The social circles are the easiest to penetrate and you can pretty much yawn your way to the top. Also, chicks here have been trained to fuck in order to please the guys. There are some guys who pretty much control all the girls, either because they have a wild temper and the girls don't want them to yell, punch someone or ruin the party, or because they're ultra smooth and they have all the social proof in the venue and then some.I find the "hip hop" crowd the most annoying. They tend to judge any difference to them as hostility towards them. Looking even slightly different, breaking rapport or not trying to fit-in and seek validation will be interpreted as being stand-offish and asking for trouble. Don't go there peacocked, or take your gear off before you step in. Smiling, laughing and trying to have a good time are all discouraged; either you're angry and by yourself, or you know everyone and you sit at a corner by yourself chewing on a straw.The mainstream pop clubs where guys all look like they took a two hour bubble bath before they got here are also lame. These venues have a little "hip hop" element, and also some mainstream european fashion. Guys here are slimmer and less built than anywhere else, except maybe at hardcore rave venues (those guys really need to see a nutrionist), but they're mostly pretty boys. The social circle is not as easy to penetrate as in college bars, since people are *conscious* of social climbing and actively try to inforece a pecking order. But then, there are many group leaders and people know each other less well, so it is not hard to forge your own social circle. Drinks are more expensive here than most other places, except upscale lounges where $10 are the average, including tip.Lounges are cool and weird at the same time. People seem to be there for a philophical mission to "chill". Nobody wants to spend the least effort on petty things like "talking" or "dancing". It is not unusual for a group of people to sit on couch for hours on end, petting each other in a weird polygamous setting and nodding to the tribal slow-tempo house music. You can talk to people and they're very welcoming, specially if you're not greasy or loud. Just nodding and raising your glass will usually get you positive responses. There are some lost girls who look like they're taking a break from a chaotic life-style, and those are eager to talk. Usually, the friendliest girls are the ones who are there for the first time. But in general, you can go in Ghandi mode; walk slowly to anybody and have a good time.That is all I can think of, there are other things I wanna point out, but this is about the more things that I see frequently.

/QUOTE

Guide to Intelligent MASF posting

2004-07-22T22:38:00.000-07:00

Guide to Intelligent MASF posting

http://www.fastseduction.com/discussion/read?166479,34

Dmitri posts about how one should post / search on mASF. Good short guidline.

NOR: No major reports did a few things here n there.. will post later

2004-07-15T00:45:00.000-07:00

NOR: No major reports did a few things here n there.. will post later.

Diversity and eccentricities of females and their sexual behaviors all over the world

2004-06-29T23:23:00.000-07:00

Nationalities of females that a number of PUAs on MASF have laid. It talks about the diversity and the "eccentricities" and "particulars" of each nationality of women. Of course it need not apply to each woman. But gives you a general cultural and geographical idea.

http://www.fastseduction.com/discussion/read?159382,8e

FR: #close HB9+ Classy Jailbird @ Court House, C&F in front of DA

2004-06-28T21:44:00.000-07:00

FR: #close HB9+ Classy Jailbird @ Court House, C&F in front of DA

THURSDAY (last week)

COULD USE ADVISE ON WHEN TO CALL AND WHAT MIGHT BE A GOOD ENGAGE ?

ONCE AGAIN - I NEED ADVISE. WHEN SHOULD I CALL HER BACK. READ THE MAIN SCENE AND THE CLOSE.. and PLEASE ADVISE. THANKS.

Scenario:

A boring courthouse where I wanted to get in and get out, get my things done. I was pleading non guilty for a non-moving violation.

Outfit:
Work slacks
White Cotton Shirt
Nice all metal business watch.
Black dress shoes.
Not shaved today so not completely good looking like I usually am.

Target:

HB9+ Jailbird ClassyClassy-
Brunette/Redhead - some damn hair color shade or natural couldnt care.
Tall atleast 5'8".
Perfect body, Perfect Face ( I give 10 to the ABSOLUTELY STUNNING ones.. ENCHANTING.. as in a prev FR w HB10).
(OTOH - If I look back, if she had been dressed up for the night out with make up .. she might just be 9.5 close to a 10).
She was in semi-casual business slacks and jacket with a nice pullover thing inside.

(Also I dont like females who put too much make up on to try to look nice.. ugh.. i like a more clean natural look).

Pre-conditions:
I was in no way i a positive state as I had to get out from work to do this crappy thing.

SCENE 1: (The disinterested Fluff)
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I walk into the Court House where they are calling out people for the batch of people prior to my scheduled time.

I find a place to sit and relax, arrange papers etc. Find a better place further up and sit. Change once more.
( I dont remember if she was already there or came there after me. I think after me... hardly matters)

I am just involved in the papers I had etc. I dont talk to her for a while ( I was simply not in the mood or the least bit interested). A few work related phone calls later, I thought might as well converse as I am getting bored.

So ask her whats she in for, tell her what I was there for, apparently we both were there for similar thing and it was like AN YEAR ago.. and the dates they gave were ...late. Short ..very very short. I was just grunting and commenting, this is stupid to be here for something so trivial.

I do a little joke.. where I was like they should have PS2s here.. so atleast you can enjoy the time u are here.. if not.. atleast they should have like Wifi (802.11b) so that I could bring my laptop, get work done and connect with my team. She was like PS2s would be cool. ( I did this ANIMATED.. as if a virtual PS2 or laptop were there).

(Short and sweet - I did not care - back to our own worlds and thoughts)

SCENE 2: (The disconnect)
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I notice that this little boy is standing to the right of me (end of long bench seat) and ask him if he wants to sit and give him space between her and me (coincidental). Apparently slowly people to her left move and there is MORE space in between so the parents of the boy move in and she moves away towards the left. ( Dunno if she wanted to stick around or not - Couldnt care, except that I woudl much rather enjoy chatting with her than the Familia Espanol - no offence)

SCENE 3: (MAIN SCENE - The SUPER C&F)
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Its been a good 30 mins and they start calling names and I head to the front row (heading to the back , then right side of room and to the front) and 3 mins later guess who comes all the way from the left...(left front and then right) (reaching almost the right most corner of the public seats.. front row)

[NOTE: THIS ENTIRE THING WAS DONE IN THE FRONT ROW OF THE COURT HOUSE WHERE DEFENDANTS ARE SITTING AND I COULD NOT BELIEVE I DID WHAT I DID :) WHERE I DID IT. ]

As soon as she arrives .. I give her a funny look and say.. "are you stalking me". She smiles, sits down. I again look away towards the center of the court room to make sure I do not miss out when they call my name again and want to GET OUT of there.

I noticed some commotion to the right and I speak to her ( I dont know if she started conversing or I did). I dont remember in what order but the following things I remember from the conversation:
- I find that she got arrested for her violation becuz she did not know that a warran was out on her name
- I bust her chops.. calling her criminal.. i was like.. stay away from me.. i cant be friend with criminals.. I mean the DA is sitting right there.. if he saw us talking he would probably just incriminate me ..because of the company I keep.. I gather in this other female with me.. tell her and get her support.. "dont u think it could be dangerous to my case, an innocent guy..". She is like.. you better watch what you say (in a playful manner).. and I was like but thats the truth.. I have to save myself.. I keep bustin and she does the standard.. light punches on my arm.. girl thing.. she is like it was not like that.. blah blah.. her qualifying
- I find out that she was in for 24 hours and her boss had bailed her out and that she worked for a law firm
- Ask her if shes a legal assisstant and she is not, but basically she assissts him as such..
- ask what kind of law (criminal civil corporate) the firm practices and end up finding that they do a mix of all
- (This is something I did not ask.. she VOLUNTEERS to the convo): Shes like in some odd way the firm does work for the government and in essence she was working for the government. She is like just the way for the american govt to screw you over for stupid things..
- I am like yeah thats so the sad truth that they do it all the time and get away with it.. but (THIS IS THE MONEY LINE - CAME UP ON THE FLY) "Its okay if the goverment screws you upfront and you know it, but its bad that they screw you over from the back/behind".. I was actually trying to say that there are so many things that you do not know about the Govt and the things they do behind you... hehe but of course.. this had PURE SEXUAL CONNOTATION to it.. and got a look and a major laugh from her.. punch again.. ( I was in C & F State - MY NATURAL STATE when I am in a good mood - and my MIND was coming up with stuff on the fly ).
- Somewhere in the middle I noticed that this guy in a suit (probably an attorney.. for the state was walking around just smiling and talking to the court house people.. and I was like.. LOOKS LIKE YOU ARE THE ONLY PERSON ENJOYING YOURSELF BIG TIME OUT HERE.. with a C&F and SMILE. He was like.. we are all here.. so might as well enjoy it.. I was like yeah .. of course thats the way to be.
- All the time my body language is away from her.. since I am sitting left side to her (looking towards center of room turning my neck to her and saying stuff on occassion).. shoulder and she seemed to have twisted her body towards me

My name gets called I leave and dont even bother to say goodbye.. I am like "wow, cool, its about time, (all the best)": - did i say that ? i dont remember".

Notes:
1. I did not put too much emphasis on her, nor attention.
2. Body language was laid back and away.
3. Incorporated social interaction with others. (shortly the attorney guy, and once the african american woman that supported me when I was busting her for being a criminal)

SCENE 4: (The number close)
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They dropped the charges based on evidence that was already present in the PAPERS they had on file (damn stupid fkers.. made me wait for an year and waste one day of work).

Head to the queue to get my "BOND" back. (Yes they issued a warrant saying that papers I had were not right).

Standing in Q, I talk to a bunch of people, one guy ahead of me, who got a speeding ticket then 5 mins later one guy behind me who was in college and had gotten into a wreck and made more money out on the insurance than the value of the car but his "insurance" had gone up.. generally talking about having known some people from his university etc. (Yes - used to have a lot of univ social proof.. damn i did not capitalize.. the MORAL me).

[ HB9+ got left behind and even though she was the next person to be called after me. So when she joined the Q there were like 10 people behind me.. ].

( I think I looked at her and shouted out.. whoa! you seriously got left behind) (( SHould have added.. did you get arrested again))

She (HB9+ who else) mustve noticed, me being social with other people.

I get to the counter and basically fill out some paperwork that takes some more time than I thought.. well thats good..I get that done and turn around and when I start to leave I notice her in Q about 2-3 people away from getting to the counter.

[I know my close sucks]
I was like... wow! you are still here.. tsk tsk.. I was like do you have a business card or something, she was like no. (I kind of froze.. and I was like.. what the fuck do I do.. cause I was so SELF-PROGRAMMED not to ASK A GIRL FOR HER NUMBER.. and I was frozen trying to think of one of the LINES ..where you IMPLY but do not ASK and the girl FINDS A WAY TO GET IN TOUCH.. and stuff) (Later I remembered.. - gotta go now, but how can we do this again) ( I shouldve adapted it to "so jail bird.. i know you mustve had quite a 24 hours in there.. id love to hear about your Xperiences and how you survived in there.. blah blah.."

Anyways, so after a short pause between her and me (both confused). I just took out my cellphone. I was like lets get together sometime. She punches in my number into her phone and she is like what area code.. I am like XXXX where I used to be.. . I am like just call me now, that way I will save your number to my phone.

After I start to save her number.. I am like.. hmm.. BTW - I a XmlEnigma.. I am sorry I forgot your name.. you are.. she is like.. HB9+Jailbird Classy.. we shake.. and i am like cool.. and i walk. [I did not save her name as yet.. and it might be one of 2 common names.. i cant seem to remember and decide which one.]

SCENE 5:
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As I walk I try to call some buddies on that side of town and see if we can meet since my work day was scwed anyways. While I am on call with one guy I notice another call, number I dont recognize. So I put om hold, switch.

"female voice": Who is this.. blah blah... I am like who is this.. ? She is like who is this.. I am like.. this is XmlEnigma.. who is this.. shes like.. oh..im sorry i was trying to call my friend.. I got/dialled the wrong number.. end

THOUGHTS:
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PS: I decided that since I had plans with my buddies for the weekend to go out sarging I would not call her too early and place too much value. Also since it was Thursday calling on a Friday could lead to a "good luck" if she does not have any plans.. but again.. too much value.

SO PHONE GAME ADVISE FOR RANDOM COLD # CLOSES ??

WHEN SHOULD I CALL ?? - It was last thursday. I dont want her to forget. I think I made the COURT thing fun for both of us.
WHAT SHOULD I SUGGEST?
WHAT IF I GET THE VOICEMAIL of HER CELL??
SHOULD I TEXT INSTEAD OF CALLING?
? ANY RECOMMENDED PHONE GAME FRs or EXCERPTS from the MANUAL TFM or other PUAs archives.

Note:
It did not seem like she has a lot of stable friends (if it was her boss that bailed her out.. but that was an year back.. so i dont know).

POSSIBLE THINGS I AM THINKING FOR THE NEXT CONVO:
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The thing is I couldnt care less if I lost this one.. (I did care about HB10 Brazilian Stunning.. so very my TYPES). But, in the essence of PRACTISE I want to follow up BIG TIME with the following angle:
- C&F busting on her Jail experince
- Call her JailGirl or JailBird (since I dont remember her name). A wing of mine suggested call her "JailBait" .. hehe.. I dont know if that is too far out .. or I could first call her JailBird and then tell her you know what.. Ive got the perfect nick name for you..
"Jail Bait".. that way we can title out a book on your 24 hour "newbie" experience in Jail.

GUYS I COULD REALLY USE FEEDBACK HERE. I have been going out big time last few weeks posting FRs. Not getting comments. Everyone seems to just want to praise the PUAs getting their LRs. I think this is a place to learn.. so I am postin FRs.. help ME LEARN this MARTIAL ART.

I AM BASICALLY REALLY ENJOYING THE GAME. I COULDNT CARE LESS ABOUT THE OUTCOME BUT WANT TO SHOW PERSISTENCE.

Thanks,

Xml Enigma

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FR: HB10 on Wed night @ Hip-Hop Club - Part II - MILF @ I-Hop

2004-06-27T11:42:00.000-07:00
FR: HB10 on Wed night @ Hip-Hop Club - Part II -

The - MILF @ I-Hop

Wednesday night with Old friend natural PUA at Hip-Hop Dance Club - Part II - MILF @ I-Hop

(Continued from Part I - http://www.fastseduction.com/discussion/read?160844,24)

As usual I will be logging this down in as much detail as possible. Readers are free to skip scenes, but I always enjoy comments.

PRE-CONDITIONS:

We generally have fun at the Hip-Hop club and drive back to my place and on the way decide to grab a bite at the I-Hop on the way.

We get there the place is empty and we just start to discuss what we did indepently that night. We concluded that this Hip-Hop place requires a very different game. He being a Natural was kind of out of place from the usual Lounge Club setting where there are usually single professionals etc. v.s thugs and hos.

SCENE 1:

We are talking and he notices an SUV & a car with some old people that are super tipsy but super "fun" (they seemed quite wild and fun). He is like that female is hot. From the distance I can see its a MILF, but I am not into "that" old. I say.. well she definitely MUSTVE been hot in her time.

We look smile and get back to our conversation.

SCENE 2:

The gang of 3 - HBMidEastMILF, HBUGGermanAdamsApple and OldEnergeticGuy come in to the I hop prancing around tipsy / high energy.

(This entire gang was old)

As HBMidEast is passing our booth, I say.. hey dont fall down okay.. easy.. easy.. (We werent interested, but since I was my chatty self from Part I of this FR, I just commented). My friend was like, do you need any help. (confidently.. laid back).

For some odd reason HBMidEast sits down next to him at booth and HBUGGermanAdamsApple sits next to me. I go C&F by sayiung.. hey thats alright if you want to sit down but you are not getting any free food from us...

for some odd reason she takes it "seriously" and "personally".

HBMidEast is like I got my money blah blah.. I very rich.. broken english and mixed arabic in between (habibi ...blah blah). HBUGGerman is like that is offensive.. you offend us.. I am like.. hey if you cant take a joke thats not my problem.

My natural friend goes good cop and apologises holds her to calm her down..

Throughout she is like "finger pointing" at me.. being young, immature etc.. I am cool, calm smiling and bust her everytime.. I am like if you are grown enough you would know not to take everything seriously.. my comments should be water off the rocks..

I keep bustin her and DO NOT APOLOGIZE for anything.

My natural friend keeps consoling her.. at that point I did not know if he was gaming her or not.. and if he was interested or not.

Lot of fluff and usual her being offended and me cool. (During this OldGuy came by and we chit chat a bit.. funny stuff.. he says he released some tension in the mens room.. i am like.. dude... thats totally unhygenic.. i am not going in there anymore.. dont even shake hands with me.. :P ... also later HBUGGerman comes n goes but HBMidEast sticks around as if she has gotten a fancy for my friend )

SCENE 3:

Our waiter joins us and we have a talk about him being Pagan and acting as if he is not to get into bed good christian girls. Etc. He is like ..I think HBMidEast is someone he would do.. blah. blah. He is funny and I ask him to sit down...(HBUGGerman had left long back). HBMidEast goes to their table far away in smoking section and comes back in a bit.. next to Natural.

The usual C&F w a little sexual state from the waiter. Fun except I started to tell my friend (in a non-english tongue.. HINDI..dude.. i got to work tomorrow u want her ? if not..lets get out.. he is like no i dont.. but hes got something on his mind)

We bust her she is pissed at me etc.. i couldnt care less.. and i take all that without a flinch to my smile.

SCENE 4:

Waiter leaves etc. We debrief on the way out and drive back. He mentions that he did this once to a girl. He amped the BITCHes (who was acting up and insulting a friend) temperature high enough.. took her to her vehicle.. stripped her of her clothes as if to do her.. and then threw the clothes out of the car.. gave her 25 cents and said.. thanks for the entertainment.

Basically, I was insulting offensing her.. with my cool, calm C&F. He was like.. if he wants to bust people like HER .. takes them high and drops them LOW. (she was being totally bitchy to me throughout.. and I did not care .. esp not that far .. as what he would do would be HARSH )..

ALSO BACKGROUND:

She was basically feeling him up under the table.. totally all over.. and she basically had made it known to him it was ON. She went to the restroom and she motioned him to come over ( behind me so I did not see). He was like.. nah.. and motioned back to her.. no.. (maybe she thought he was playing hard to get.. maybe he was). She also managed to tell him if he would like to walk out for a bit (maybe do her in her SUV). He was planning to BUST HER using that.. but I was consistently busting on her and I did not know what he wanted to do.. since he had made it clear he was not interested in her.

END NOTE:
Even though I thought him doing that thing was harsh, I was like if you wanted to do that you might as well gain something and have fun right. I suggested hee couldve gotten a blowjob from her in the bathroom and given her 25c. and walked out..
That would have been the best close. Thats waht I told him.. and he was like yups.

PS: Sometimes bitches need to be shown their place.

NOTE: ALL IN ALL A FUN NIGHT WITH AN OLD BUDDY. WE COULDNT CARE LESS. HAD A BLAST.

- xmlenigma

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FR: HB10 on Wed night @ Hip-Hop Club - Part I

2004-06-26T10:49:00.000-07:00
FR: HB10 on Wed night @ Hip-Hop Club - Part I

Wednesday night with Old friend natural PUA at Hip-Hop Dance Club - Part I

As usual I will be logging this down in as much detail as possible. Readers are free to skip scenes, but I always enjoy comments.

PRE-CONDITIONS:

My friend natural PUA comes to town and we talk about stuff and how he has been doing ONS and cold PUs in the US and in India. He has laid HB7s to HB9s... regularly. He has a list of things to do... challenges.. 8 things. of which one is "do a girl in an elevator" and he did just that 2 weekends back ... his "blow job at 80 miles an hour in a car" thing has yet to be done.. he has done a number of them and list is almost done.

Either way we talk about what we have been upto, catching up etc.

SCENE 1:

We catch dinner, get ready and head out to the club.

OUTFIT: Blue Denims, Pimped out - emulation Suede leather types (full sleeved) short fit shirt

Head inside (we are early) and near a Bar, just talk about stuff, possible targets and who and how to approach. We are laid back and I am "not" in state yet. The place starts to "fill up" and we walk around still not approaching. (Damn!).

SET 1:

Finally after a few possible IOIs that we noticed but did not "cash upon" we approached 2 females who were waiting for their BFs or dates and we did that after having been around them for a while (so that I think spoilt it). It seemed a little "planned" and hesitant. They freeze us out.

SET 2:

Behind us at the booth 3 set: HB6.5Blond, HB6.5Brunette, UGFatSista. Sit down next to UGBFSista; Standard fluff about them sitting there not going out there dancing and they say they will once they get more drunk. (In between I find Blond is under 21 so Brunette has to come to bring her in). Do the girls/guys who lies more routine ..they are not very interactive.. (maybe I wasnt that +ve energy yet). Find out that they all work retail etc and ask them to get me "hookups" as I am new to town etc. My wing Natural is on the sidelines and talking a little bit. I say he is from London and im showing him around are there better places around the area. I find I am getting bored and they are too so I eject with a "have fun" and I should see you dancing out there.

Notes:
1- Too long, Tried too hard, Girls were too low class, low energy and not conversational
2 - I need to remember routines that I can stack and stack on girls to get them to talk in such loud clubs esp. w their BShields.
3- Good thing was this was a warmup and slowly I started getting more "chatty".

SET 3:

Once I slowly got "chatty", I opened bar tenders, beer tub girls (with do you girls get a bonus if u sell the most? i noticed that the girl who sells the most.. shows the max. cleavage ) - get a little laugh out of them, say that they should do that..make more money.. etc. Opened a few random sets with they should be dancing (std we are not yet that drunk) and say I should see them on the floor later ..have fun..

SET 4:

HBCuteChunky7.5 with other boring UGs I go and say that I really love the "hat" she has and touch the hat and tell her I need to get one for my sister. Ask her where she got it etc. Rest of the set is on sidelines and she is talking but I dont have that many interesting things to say so she re-assimilates into her pack and I exit. I am still high energy and chatty. (Later when the WET TSHIRT contest happened I noticed that she was out there and had a freaking naturally filledup MANGO RACK to get lost in.

NOTE: I was keeping all these sets short and sweet. Showing that I was not afraid to approach against all odds. I was high energy when I came in and high energy when I went out.

SET 5:

3 Set: 2 Blondes(6, 6.5), 1 Brunette (8). Hello, their BFs are here -> I am new to Houston -> I want to make friends so I'd like to talk to their guys as well. Girls/Guys lie more fluff.. etc.. (how does someone capitalize on this opener inthe right way). Chit chat for a while. One guy arrives I get up and give him space to set inside the booth (MISTAKE ???) and say hello befriend. But I decide to keep it short and sweet and get out.

SET 6: (Super Stunning Brazilian)

This "amazing" "stunning" "pretty" "hot" HB10BrazilianFairAngel is sitting alone at a Booth with one leg perched up on the opposite side of the booth (Why ? tired ? I dont know I should have busted on her and asked). I sat down opposite to her at the Booth (Should I have sat next to her or not ???). She said that she was here with someone and I was like cool, Id love to talk to him too and since I am new to town make friends with him and take him around and then to Brazil and leave him there so that he gets lost and cannot find his way back. Her "BoreF" (this guy was as boring looking AFC White with Spiked hair) as it comes. I get up shake get him into the booth, sit next to him. Chat to him about stuff.. and chat to her and suddenly while chatting with her I turn (BODY TURN.. Freeze her out) and chat to him and find out what kind of work does he do get him to say he will hook me up with store he works at and get his cell number. We exchange names on another shake. I shake with "HER" and get her name as well. Here when I said my name she did not hear it so she had me repeat it 2-3 times until she could (possible IOI). I noticed that she was amazed at how I had +ve energy throughout even after Mr.Block came back in.

Somewhere in between I said she should give me a little kiss on my cheek ( he was at the table) since I am new to town and that would be nice of them to welcome me etc. (funny and ALWAYS with a +ve million $ smile). She is like I cant and I am like im gonna get him to be a sport and not mind it .. but he does. Also, somewhere in between we find that "she is from brazil". DAMN! I had done the brazil story without knowing that. She asks me and I say guess. She thinks and says "India". I look at her with smile and squinted eyes.. "hmm.. you hit the jackpot". Fluff a bit.

Notes:
1 - DAMN. This girl was so stunning as well as sweet, that I would give up on PU and go into an LTR.
2 - I should've found out where she worked as well (would have been easy and natural since I had de-escalated the guy and asked him where he worked etc.) That would have been an excuse to bump into her place for coffee.
3 - By this time I was super high energy, very positive vibe, very chatty and very "smiley". No I dont have a "lame guy" smile. I have what I have been told my ladies to be a "charmers" smile.
4 - Girls that really interest me (non-mediocre... HB9s and 10s) really amp my game ..as they amp my INTEREST and I really speaking remain my +ve high energy C&F as they usually enjoy that.

SET REPEATS:

I go dance, come out walk around the club etc. meet my Natural wing and another "wing" who have been fluffing around a little. I keep most sets short n sweet and everytime I see the previous sets I say hey.. there u are.. having fun.. and say.. hey cmon ..gimme a hug.. and they do.. with smiles.. of course they are with their guys etc.

One set I had opened was sitting in the verandah bar and I go reopen by saying they said that they would be out there dancing and stuff after got drunk and they were not and they should be out there having fun versus sitting around like me. ( actually sat down in a very laid back alpha fashion). By this time they had gotten up and were heading inside and paused to turn around and say hey c'mon etc. (before I had said hmm.. so u get drunk and then you dance and get freaky ...cool cool.. so one girls says.. we dance but we dont get freaky etc.. i was like thats okay as long as you are dancing.. that should be cool..) (Should have busted them and said "so you are going to be BORING.. if you cant dance like grown girls then I cant dance with you" with a mischevious smile and smirk).

I get up and we head towards the inside and there are 2 possible ways to go and they seem to be leading (it seemed like they invited me but did not care to wait/slow down / or just did not notice that) so I just exited out into another direction. I decided not to follow.

I should've joined them - pulled them to where I want to go and used them as social pivots/proof. They were nice looking faces but "bulky" for an athletic guy of my size and frame. So I was not really interested but I think I couldve used them to my advantage.

Got a lot of HUGS. (sometimes they seemed forced)

MISCELLANEOUS:

Chatted with the cops securing the club gate, chatted with a guy with crutches (and cute looking female friends..), general chit-chat with the bar tenders about how lame it was for people to be paying good money to be the waterboy for the wet t-shirt contest...(70 to 100$ each... ) STOOOOOPID!!!.

Part I gets over as we head out (need to work tomorrow..so) of the club.

PS: He is not used to the smoky, hip hop 18+ crowd and tends to enjoy clubs which have a better amount of single young professionals (versus ghetto ladies at a hip hop club). I think he is more of a lounge / club gamer with MAJOR SUCCESSES.

Part II - At the I-Hop

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Interesting text SMS to reattract female with false time constraint after incomplete CUBE on female

2004-06-21T00:21:00.000-07:00
I text her this and ive been using it EVER Since!!!! this is the exact text message it goes in two parts...

"Hi, You Have Won An Amazing Prize, To Claim Your Awesome Prize All You Have To Do Is Look Sexy..."

Text #2

"Your Top Prize Is A Chance To Chat To Darren, He Can Fit You In At About 4Pm On Tuesday, Remind Him To Do The Cube Again Though! Where Is Easiest To Meet As I Wont Have Long? Congratulations"

They seem to really dig this if you have done enough ground work pre texting.

TD comments on a newbies attempt to use and emulate TDs tactics

2004-06-21T00:00:00.000-07:00
TD comments on a newbies tactics in using TDs guidelines. Using different levels of "dress" sense within and outside your social circles (COLD PUs).

[QUOTE]
-Are you dressed COOL? To look at you, from a first impression, would people's impression be that you're someone who gets laid and has friends, or that you're a AFC dork who is trying to chat chicks? It's an honest question, because its something that you can easily change. I see very bad looking guys here in Los Angeles, but they have a counter-culture alpha look and vibe to them. They LOOK like they get laid, despite that they are not goodlooking whatsoever.

-Is your vocal expressiveness really good? Does your voice resonate, project, and have a variety of expression in it?

-Are you super chilled out and looking like you're enjoying the interaction and not seeking validation? IT'S NOT ABOUT NOT SHOWING INTEREST, ITS ABOUT NOT NEEDING VALIDATION. Remember that, because one can convey sexuality and the other conveys neediness.

-Do routines seem natural and like fucking interesting pieces of conversation, or are they coming across like you're a dork spewing a script? Don't get paranoid, as girls are not as psychic as the guys here on ASF would believe, but it has to hit a bare minimum level.

-Are you coming across with an us versus them frame, or a frame where you playfully tease about having higher value but really you love them like little sisters.

-Are you quickly moving them somewhere comfortable that you can work, or sitting in the middle of pedestrian traffic? Do you keep talking AS you move them to sit, so their ASD doesn't kick in, or do you just say "let's go" and shut up until you sit down? If you do the latter, their ASD kicks in and they lose interest and leave.

-Are you comfortable in club culture? Understand that club culture is intertwined with hot female psych to the max degree. There is NO escaping it, despite what guys on this chatboard will fantasize. You don't have to pull from clubs. That's up to you. But if your social calibration and vibe isn't on a level that you could go to one and fit in there (or better yet, beat it), then even if you try to pull these girls from the street you will know that you aren't ready yet, because being able to survive club culture so to speak is a barometer of your social calibration in general.
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Approval Seeking & Validation Seeking

The rules of the game matter alot. Until they don't matter at all. There is no one way to PU - Razorjack

The rules of the game matter alot. Until they don't matter at all.There is no one way to PU. --- Razorjack

Thoughts on Eye Contact - A post on MASF

PUA - Where is the Artist? Where is the Art? All I see is numbered coloring books & copycats.

the kino manual

A LR from Mega - Making it easy

Women: Truth and authenticity

How Are Your Fundamentals? - Woodhaven

OR: Almost LRs.. Women & Natural Game

Three steps to confidence

How To Tell If She's Interested

Making them 'Open Up' and making them 'Qualify'..

Vibing With Beautiful Women

Pick Up Frames: What's your mindset?

What To Do When She LIKES You... How To Not Screw Up

Laws of Attraction and Energy play

Interesting NLP breakdown of SmoothOperators Direct FR by Wazzup

What It Feels Like. . . To Pick Up Britney Spears

Gone Savage lays 3 HBs in one day in Montreal, So confidently, so sincerely and so romantically..

Going from 'Down State' to a Lay - Turning the night around no matter how bad your state

The Art of Story Telling - How to be a good Story Teller

Have a balance in life, PU but believe in Karma

Being in the present, Living in NOW, controlling yourself & not getting carried away by your emotions..

TT: How to Build Rapport With Any Chick, Anywhere, In 30 Minutes

How a compliment can be a PUSH PULL i.e. Validation and Takeaway = Chase you

IMP: Persistence is so key, that it begins to scare me

Equipment: Digital Voice Recorders for Sarge Analyses - Some options, reviews, discussions on mASF

TT: Shrugging is Powerful - The use of a simple body movement into something very powerful - THE SHRUG

TT: Transferring a chics "buying temperature" from someone who has been "gaming" her to yourself - VERY IMPORTANT at the end of the night

TT: Online Methods & Techniques

TT: Escalation of Kino - How to go about escalating the Kino?

TT: Use of compliment openers - Using necklace, jewellery or something as an opener

SexPDX's report on the Juggler Workshop and how he closed a Single Mom by being laid back, genuine & social

Being relaxed, natural, not seeking sex and just doing without thinking

Wazzup: On "social circle" penetration by handing off conversational threads & bringing higher sense of ownership

Persistence & Calibration: The art of the laid back PUA

Why I should talk to all kinds of sets and all kinds of girls

Swingcats Qualifying Methodology in Detail

The Tennessee Opener - Great Indirect with an SOI

OR: # close & bridge naturally with HBSingleMom8+/9

TT: Something to thread after a direct opener to have the girl qualify things beyond her looks..

Advanced: Daytime vs Club PU

"Emotional Intelligence" and the PUA... internal workings..

Avoiding the "avoiding failure" state ...focus on the game, the learning; not the pain..

The road to success...

Massive Bitchyness - Dont let it sink.. Take it lightly..Playfully

OR: 9/4 Labor Day weekend @ 6th Street, Austin,TX + meet Schematic & Merchant

a PU fanny pack kit to carry around ??

Night Club Isolation Edition - Sunday Chat

FR: 8/19-8/21 : 3 nights - AMAZING REALIZATIONS!!! - Part II

FR: 8/19-8/21 : 3 nights - AMAZING REALIZATIONS!!! - Part I

FR:(good) 8/7 Sat night mayhem at SF (Marina)

FR: (Bad) 8/5 Thu night at Downtown San Jose, CA

Fighting approach anxiety

Dynamics of different venues: styles, people types, groups, scene, behavior

Guide to Intelligent MASF posting

NOR: No major reports did a few things here n there.. will post later

Diversity and eccentricities of females and their sexual behaviors all over the world

FR: #close HB9+ Classy Jailbird @ Court House, C&F in front of DA

FR: HB10 on Wed night @ Hip-Hop Club - Part II - MILF @ I-Hop

FR: HB10 on Wed night @ Hip-Hop Club - Part I

Interesting text SMS to reattract female with false time constraint after incomplete CUBE on female

TD comments on a newbies attempt to use and emulate TDs tactics

The rules of the game matter alot.
Until they don't matter at all.

There is no one way to PU.
--- Razorjack