Gone Savage lays 3 HBs in one day in Montreal, So confidently, so sincerely and so romantically..

THIS REPORT IS ABSOLUTE GOLD.

3LR: Montreal: Trois beautées en une seule journée

Friday July 22, 2005. This day will live on in infamy as the first day that I had sex with three women, each for the first time. Let me make the distinction clear. Not only did I have sex with three women, but it was the first time having sex with each! Okay, got it. Onward…

This post is a snapshot of where I have worked to take this artform and my attitude. And it’s the culmination of ten days time spent in Montreal. Developments include exhibiting potent sexual confidence, delivering powerful statements of intent, persisting on Day2 and Day3 meets, and creatively engineering good logistics. All three of these women were sexed on Day3 meets--which I’ve already noted was the same day!

Going from 'Down State' to a Lay - Turning the night around no matter how bad your state

Lately, I noticed on mASF that Ox (from the UK) has been posting these LRs, every week where he starts off the night with a really poor state and down and mentally kicking himself down. He tried and gets blown out and hits rock bottom and somehow persists at the end of the night and does a ONS Lay. Its funny how he has consistenly done it over the last few weeks of posts he has made.

LR: Impossible is nothing(pics)
LR: my game is back(pics)
LR: friday night and hb gets her due(pics)
LR: my 3rd car extraction(pics)

Another very natural lay.. Dont excuse your desires.. do what you want say what u REALLY want..

LR: Same day lay with HBdrama

The Art of Story Telling - How to be a good Story Teller

One of the most important things to learn as a PUA is to be an engaging story teller. It is now what you say but how you say it. It is not how amazing your story really was but how you framed it to sound 'amazing', 'interesting' and 'exciting'.

Its all about the presentation of the matter:

A good example is wilders article on Story Telling.

http://www.bristollair.com/outergame/routines/storytheory/
Also a discussion about the same on EBSS (The SF Bay Area Lair)

Story Theory
by Wilder

Telling stories to a group of people is one of the best ways to generate attraction in pick-up when done correctly.

What follows are several things to consider when choosing and crafting stories for use in the field during attraction phases. They're more guidelines than hard and fast rules, as you can break most of them when you know what you're doing.

1. Story material This is close to a no-brainer. Choose stories that are interesting, fun and GIRL RELEVANT! Avoid stories about distasteful subjects, i.e. death, car accidents, bad breakups, etc. Usually these stories are funny. Use stories you tell often to friends and new people that get big laughs.
   
   [ CONVERSATION THEMES WITH CHICS:
   TRAVEL, MOVIES (TYPE OF MOVIES.. CHIC FLICS, SCARY MOVIES), TV SHOWS, POP CULTURE, SHOPPING, PERSONAL EXPERIENCES INVOLVING WOMEN, DRAMA/ DRAMATIC SITUATIONS, CLOTHES/ FASHION, SHOES, HOROSCOPES, PALMISTRY, TAROT READING, PSYCHIC, SPELLS, GHOSTS, SUPERNATURAL THINGS, RELATIONSHIPS, VARIOUS ASPECTS OF RELATIONSHIPS, CONCERTS, SHOWS, CARNIVALS, ART, FESTIVALS...]
   
   
2. Be succinct Write your story out word for word and then gut it. Get rid of everything the listener doesn't need to know and doesn't care about. It's essential that you're ruthless here. Better to cut too much than too little. State the boring but necessary details as succinctly as possible.
   
   
3. Lead in This is how you start the story. The lead in should be congruent with the story to follow. Communicate using words, tonality and energy the type of story to follow. Some examples are, "Oh my God, the funniest/craziest/weirdest thing happened to me the other day!" or "Did you guys ever notice XXX?" or "You'll never believe this, check it out."
   
   
4. Initial hook An initial hook is something that makes peoples' ears perk up. It should be as close to the beginning of the story as possible and should be specifically chosen to make people lean in and pay attention. If your story is about something that happened to you at an S & M party, put that part up front!
   
   Bad: My friend called me the other day and left me a message to call him back. So I called him and he went on and on about his Mother's operation before finally telling me about this party he wanted to go to. Turns out, it's an S & M party!
   
   Good: So the other day I went to this S & M party!
   
   
5. Unanswered questions Craft your story so that there will be unanswered questions in the listener's mind. You want them to ask you questions that give you the opportunity to further increase your value.
   
   Example: So I was picking up my new car the other day and the salesman wouldn't stop asking me about my watch. The girl I was with finally told him we had to go so she could pick up her instrument for a concert she was doing that night.
   
   Unanswered questions:
   - What kind of car did you just buy?
   - What kind of watch were you wearing?
   - Are you rich?
   - Who was the girl you were with?
   - What kind of performance did she have to get to?
   
   
6. Allude, don't state directly In the examples above you're alluding. You're alluding to the fact that you have money, as you just bought a new car and have a cool watch. You're alluding to the fact that you hang out with cool girls. Stated directly, any of this information would sound like bragging, so you allude to it. Make them ask you about it; don't volunteer it.
   
   
7. Subcommunication This has to do mostly with tonality. The same story can be told playfully, seductively or in a way that generates intrigue. Calibrate to your audience and know what you want to subcommunicate.
   
   
8. Convey personality traits In telling a story, you're telling someone a great deal about yourself. Know what personality traits want to convey. Craft your stories to subtly tell someone you're adventurous, rich, famous, creative, courageous, etc.
   
   
9. Tonality This is hard to put in print, but vary your tonality as widely as possible. Talk slow, then fast, then low, then high and then higher! Make transitions smoothly and tell the story in a way that sucks your listener right in. Along with this, act out parts of the story with your hands or your whole body.
   
   
10. Have a punch line A punch line is a line that sums up your story in a powerful way. It's a way of letting the listener know that the story is over. It doesn't have to be funny, though in many stories used in the field it will be.
    
    Examples:
    - "That's the last time I take THAT dog to the beach!"
    - "From now on I'm asking to see girls' ID's!"
    - "That was the day I learned the true meaning of courage."

Short Example Story:
The Girls at Burning Man are fucking CRAZY! So I met this girl at dinner and we really hit it off. We spent the whole evening together and she was great, but something seemed a little off. Anyway, she finally takes me back to her tent and it's really romantic and everything, then afterwards we fall asleep in each others' arms. In the morning I kissed her on her forehead, but she didn't wake up. So I left and went to my own tent, which was like 20 yards away, figuring I'd see her at breakfast. But she's not at breakfast. And she's not at lunch. And she's not at dinner. Finally after dinner, I see her across the space and she comes right over to me with this weird look on her face. She puts her hand on my chest, looks deep into my eyes and says, "Oh my God, you're so hot, I HAVE to meet you."
I looked at her and said, "Sarah, it's ME."
Then she gets this really weird look on her face and says, "How did you know my NAME?!"

1. Story material- Burning Man, Romance, Sex.
   
2. Be succinct.
   
3. Lead in- "The Girls at Burning Man are fucking CRAZY!." I'd say this animated and playfully, like there's a story coming.
   
4. Initial hook- Crazy girls at Burning Man.
   
5. Unanswered questions:
   - What is Burning Man?
   - What's Burning Man like?
   - Are chicks always so attracted to you?
   - What's wrong with this girl?
   - What happened next with this girl?
   
6. Allude, don't state directly. Much more effective than saying "Hey, chicks dig me."
   
7. Subcommunication- Audience dependant.
   
8. Convey personality traits:
   - I'm sexually open
   - I'm adventurous
   - I take things in stride
   - I'm cool with weird and unusual people and situations
   
9. Have a punch line: "How did you know my NAME?!"
   
10. Tonality: I use a wide range on tonality telling this story.
    

Game on-

- Wilder

I saw this blog post while searching through google. I am looking for more insights on this. If you happen to find some please do let me know.

nomadlife HOWTO - How to be a good story teller…

Tuesday, February 01, 2005

How to be a good story teller…
By far one of the hardest parts of reintegration is telling your story. Lets be honest: No one wants to hear about that amazing bike ride through the rice patty or the view from the top of the Eiffel Tower. You gotta give your audience what they want. Sex, danger or even coitus are the acrylics on your palette. As soon as you realize this, you are on your way to being a good story teller…

There are several tricks to getting at what the audience wants. Trick number one: Don’t get bogged down in minute details. Your goal is to get to the sauce as soon as possible, observe:

“So, I was in Thailand and there’s this guy who my friend that I was with met on the beach. So, we went over to his, like I think it was an apartment or a hotel, and we start trading our Asia stories. Anyway, he starts telling this story about his friend in Bangkok. So his friend goes out drinking, and he’s pretty drunk, and the next thing he knows he’s in a village out side of town. Naked, with his boxers turned inside out. It took him three days to get back to Bangkok.”

So now that’s an “okay story.” But observe the pains taken to describe relationship and setting. No one cares. Get to the sauce:

“So, I was in Thailand and there’s this dude I met. Anyway, this guy starts telling me about this time he went out drinking in Bangkok, and he’s pretty drunk, and the next thing he knows he’s in a village out side of town. Naked, with his boxers turned inside out. It took him three days to get back to Bangkok.”

Alright, now you’re talking. That 30 second story is starting to be 30 seconds long. Next, your going to want to emphasize the sexy bits, and throw some meat on that skeleton. The first is with adjectives and metaphor, observe:

“So, I was in Thailand and I meet this crazy Australian dude. Anyway, this guy starts telling me about this time he was drinking in Bangkok, and he’s piss drunk at some shady ass bar, and some one slips him something and the next thing he knows he’s in this farm village outside of town. With nothing on but his stained boxers turned inside out. It took him three days to get back to Bangkok.”

See, now that story is getting respectable. I’d take that one any day, but there’s still more work to do. Next is the embellished detail. I recommend the use of numbers pulled from your ass or colloquialisms to convey severity of the situation:

“So, I was in Thailand and I meet this crazy Australian dude. So, we just start shooting the shit on this porch. Anyway, this guy is telling me about this time he went out drinking in Bangkok. Apparently, he gets piss drunk at some shady ass bar and someone one slips him a roofy. The next thing he knows, its been 48 hours and he’s in this farm village 8 miles out of town. With nothing on but his stained boxers turned inside out. It took him three days to get back to Bangkok.”

Now all you need is to relate this to the reader/listener and your done son:

“So, I was in Thailand and I meet this crazy Australian dude. Anyway, this guy is telling me about this time he went out drinking in Bangkok, and if you know Bangkok you know there are some shaddy ass places downtown. Anyway, he gets piss drunk off of Mehkong whisky at some bar, and someone one slips him a roofy. The next thing he knows, its been 48 hours and he’s in this farm village 8 miles out of town. And he’s wearing nothing but his shit stained boxers. Turned. Inside-Out. Luckily, the people were really nice and gave him cloths and money to get back to Bangkok. He never wore underwear again”

See you got the danger, lesson learned and a happy ending. Anyone else have some good stories to tell?


posted by nomadlife community # 5:56 PM

So what are the themes and topics that you must talk about with women? Check some of the following DYD insights (quoted from here.. )

• There are really two very different (and important) aspects to the "conversations with women" topic:
  
  1. The HOW
  2. The WHAT
  
  THE HOW
  
  Most guys want to know "what to talk about" with women.
  It only makes sense that you should talk about things that women are interested in... right?
  Well... partially.
  It is actually FAR MORE IMPORTANT to talk about whatever topic you're talking about in the RIGHT WAY.
  In other words, if you don't understand HOW to carry on a conversation that creates ATTRACTION, then it really won't matter WHAT you talk about... because the woman you're talking to won't FEEL anything towards you.
  
  [Editor: Read our "Things You Should Never Say On A Date" for additional information"]
  
  The HOW of conversation includes (but is not limited to):
  
  -Your body language
  -Eye contact
  -The Cocky & Funny style of communicating
  -Flirting
  -Sending mixed messages
  -Directing the conversation
  -Dealing with common questions and topics
  
  ...and many other things.
  
  My point is that if you're running into a lot of "uncomfortable silences", nervousness, and other usual challenges, then you probably need to get the HOW handled before the WHAT.
  
  THE WHAT
  
  With that said, there are several topics that are GREAT to discuss with women.
  But instead of just giving them to you, I want you to do yourself a favor and THINK for a minute.
  
  What topics do women PAY to hear about?
  
  Hint: Cosmo magazine, romance novels, soap operas, nighttime dramas, the fashion channel... etc.
  
  If you think about it, the answer to this question is rather obvious.
  
  For whatever reason, WOMEN tend to LOVE:
  
  -Drama
  -Conflict
  -Romance
  -Famous people and their lives
  ...Looks, Fashion, Vacations, Affairs, etc..
  
  So... it's really quite easy to enjoy a conversation with a woman about these topics.
  
  Here are a few ideas:
  
  1. Play amateur psychologist to the stars.
  
  Talk about how someone famous is doing something really stupid, then psycho-analyze them.
  For instance... right now, Michael Jackson is something like two hundred million dollars in debt. Even though he makes about twenty million dollars a year, he somehow manages to blow it all and then some. He has spent an unimaginable amount of time and money on plastic surgery and skin bleaching... and he reportedly just spent around seven hundred grand digitally darkening his skin tone in a recent video.
  This situation is all kinds of BEGGING to be picked apart with a fine-toothed critical mind.
  It's also PREGNANT with humor opportunities.
  
  2. Find an interesting-looking group of people and guess what's going on.
  
  Look around you, and find a couple sitting at a table that looks like they're on their first date.
  Then start making fun of how the guy is acting, how he's dressed, his posture, or whatever. Talk about how the woman is thinking that he's a dork and how he's not getting any, no matter how many compliments he gives her.
  Analyzing what's going on with a close group of others is big fun, and women love it.
  
  3. Make fun of someone famous.
  
  Talk about how a super model is too skinny, or how Ozzy has killed all his brain cells and what a shame it is that he's on TV broadcasting it to millions of viewers.
  Make fun of Mariah Carey for gaining weight, being put in the loony bin, and putting out a sucky movie.
  All you have to do is read a few gossip magazines to get all kinds of great stuff to make fun of.
  It's fun, it's funny, and it's a great way to talk like you're all that.
  
  4. Talk about other people's love lives.
  
  Talk about the problems that others are going through when it comes to love and romance, then volunteer completely ridiculous theories about what's going on.
  Mention a friend you had who broke up with his girlfriend because she gained weight, then after you've told the story, make up a random theory about how women who gain weight are actually lesbians.
  But make sure it's funny, whatever you invent.
  ...I think you can "feel me".
  
  The point here is that women are NATURALLY fascinated and drawn to certain topics... so USE THEM.
  
  The REAL benefit of talking to women about topics that really interest them is that you can USE ALL THE OTHER IDEAS THAT YOU'RE LEARNING while you're talking!
  
  You can AMPLIFY THE ATTRACTION as the conversation goes on... as long as you know what else to do as you talk.
  
  Oh, by the way...
  
  Topics to avoid: Rape, kidnapping, stalking, death, chess, computers, comic books, Star Wars, monster trucks, and NSYNC. NEVER talk about topics that might really freak a woman out, or topics that make you look like the biggest loser alive in the beginning. You'll create BAD VIBES that will make any attraction that you've created INSTANTLY disappear. Others to really avoid include talking negatively about yourself, talking about how desperate you are or how long it's been since you've been on a date, asking if she likes you or if you're her "type"... and any other WUSS-BAG topic that makes you look insecure and needy.
  
  Remember, the key to success with women is creating a powerful emotional ATTRACTION between you and her.
  If you don't know how to do this, then NOTHING you do is going to help you very much.

Insightful topics aren't they?

Have a balance in life, PU but believe in Karma

SoMa's thoughts impresse me more. Thats what I believe about life.

He talks on BBForum.

A lot of guys here are in pursuit of pussy at all costs. It's their holy grail. As cliche as it sounds, there are more things in life than girls. This is not coming from someone who is a keyboard jockey with zero experience. I'm saying this from a place of a great deal of experience. I've been on both sides of the fence. From no pussy, to 3 new girls a week...week after week after week after week. Fucked girls with bfs, girls without em, girls engaged, gf's of friends, ex gf's of friends, hell I was even fucking my friends fiancee for over two years in his own bed while he was at work. After that I ended up fucking several of that girls best friends cause she would spread the word about me breakin her off so well. She didn't take kindly to it when she found out. But hey, fuck her and everyone else, it's all about me, right?

Some people may not believe in karma, negative energy, etc, but I'm a firm believer in that what you put out into the universe is going to come back to you. It's actually a direct reflection of what you harbor inside. The longer you choose to live on that lower level of life the longer you'll be unfullfilled, constantly in pursuit of what you THINK will fulfill you. In this case; Pussy. I lost sight of that in my pursuit of fresh cunt. Looking back I can see how I was a huge asshole and how I hurt a lot of people, including myself. It's the same as people who constantly strive for money. They THINK it will make them happy and in the end they realize they wasted a large portion of their life.

I'm not saying don't go for women and other things you want, by all means DO! What is life for if not to enjoy it? Just be honest in your dealings and consider how your actions will affect yourself and others. You wanna be direct, that's fuckin direct right there. No games whatsoever.

These days I still get a good amount of action but now I have a clear conscience. Too much false bravado in the seduction community, especially this board. I could sit here for days talking about this but the point is thus: Create and maintain a healthy balance between the various aspects of your life.

I also like the signature he has...

I danced until midnight when the sky turned black,
It is hard to dance with the Devil on your back.
They buried my body and thought I'd gone,
But I am the dance and I still go on.

He's seem to have derived them from this song.

LORD OF THE DANCE
(Sydney Carter)

Being in the present, Living in NOW, controlling yourself & not getting carried away by your emotions..

I had met SoMa when I was in the Bay Area in Summer 2004. I hung out with him and AfroPUA and somehow discounted SoMa's 'ultra chill' vibe. He was so chilled out but I thought that was just him being cool.

I am not sure if he changed after going into the 'Direct' camp or was this way before and I never saw his depth of thought.. Here's something he mentioned here on BB forum, that caught my 'curiosity'.

..... whenever I feel myself getting caught up in something and want to relax. I take notice of my surroundings. For example, I'll focus on the temperature of the air around me, notice the way the wood from the table underneath my fingers feels, notice how my clothes feel against my skin, etc. This get's me back in the present and helps me to focus on what's going on around me rather than getting swept away in a torrent of emotions.

Getting back to the "NOW" is important. Its easy for me to get swept away by a torrent of thoughts.. and find myself lost, confused or TOO INTROSPECTIVE..

Wazzup (IndiaLair) told me on the phone... "Do you want control in life...or do you want to cruise through life"...... Just chill... live in the NOW... not in the PAST or the FUTURE..

My wing "Ramster" alsot mentioned last night when we were talking, that I had this "URGE" to get carried away by thoughts and urge to express all and that was just too much at times....

I am wondering what to do...... HOLD IT BACK a little. Dont get carried away by the URGE.. Know the urge and TAME it.

Thats what I need to do.

TT: How to Build Rapport With Any Chick, Anywhere, In 30 Minutes

Cortez talks about how you need to avoid logical stuff and talk about things that bring out feelings and emotions.

TT: How to Build Rapport With Any Chick, Anywhere, In 30 Minutes

She has to FEEL you two are soulmates, like she knows you forever.

When it happens fast, you hear following from her: ''Oh my God I don't know why I'm telling you this, I don't even know you..''

What happened?
She FEELS she knows me better then her best friend and her logical brain supplies her with information ''You don't know this guy''!

Quote:
And yes, rapport gets you girl!

NOW THE FOLLOWING TEXT IS FOR GUYS WHO WANT RAPPORT FAST:

Attraction is naturally created between people.
With deep raport you will get her. If not first time you see her, second or third you will. She will remember you as someone special and think of you all the time. Good rapport brings the chick to you.

What to do to get in rapport, guys:

- Relax. It is important. RELAX. Nervous guys, don't drink coffeine, don't look around like you escaped from jail. Act like youre alone in the most comfortable place on Earth. Make that place existant in your imagination if you have never been in a place like that.

- Avoid everyday chat (weather, school, job, newspapers, movies..) you will need weeks to get rapport with that.

- Skip the usual introductions and talk with her like she is your twin sister, in fact even more openly than you would with your twin sister

- Go deep (share some emotions with her, talk about yourself (example: how you fell in love first time when you were 5 years old, how you had a rabbit and he was your friend and when he died you were very sad and felt vulnerable..)

- Listen when she follows with her deep story. Leave coments aside. Don't interrupt with: ''That's good!'', ''That's funny'', ''Oh that's so bad for you''. Just listen. Don't criticise or judge her whatever she says. Never involve in discussion. If you do so you're pushing her away. If you 'agree' with her or 'approve' her actions you loose trust from her. Just listen. Ask question if something is not clear to you. When you finish asking, shut up and listen her for a while. You must NOT become her cushion. It happens in 15 mins - 2 hours, only in special situations longer. Dont make it long. If you make it long without steping forward (kiss), there is a danger of becoming a friend, or even worse, marriage material.

- Don't try hard to find common things between you two. Do it more like you're just informing yourself about her and her about your thoughts, or even better, you're just thinking loudly, with no specific objective.

-Don't give her eye contact too much. Save it's power for later. Give it more and more in moments before kiss, and make a last one longer.

-Cube and similar techniques can work if used on right place in right time and by skilled person. I prefer something else [HE PREFERS TO ADD SOMETHING MORE]: use experience to explain how she feels or what she thinks or why she behaved in such way in such occasion. That adds HUGE amounts of rapport, it's quicker and less borring.

Newbies, above text is gold , I'm writing it for you instead of sleeping so *pay* *fuckin* *attention*. Re-read, apply and get that girl!

This makes sense from the Austin PUA Summit 2005, where FireFly mentioned how we get easily affected by things we see in a movie or tv (a form of hypnosis) . A sad melodramatic scene tends to make us sad (to some extent) and this works even more strongly on the females.

Essentially, you have to bring about lots of different kinds of "emotions" and "feelings" with the rapport.. in the conversation you have and/or in the stories you tell.

Another recent shift in the RSD Camp heading more towards Rapport / Stories v/s Routines.

My wing Maverick mentioned that his most recent RSD Bootcamp in NYC (his 2nd RSD in a few months), the guys made him drop all routines and go into real stories. But, they gave a few tips on how to story tell. Make the female visualize, imagine and feel the story... by stimulating the feelings of all of the 5 senses. [ Girls do this all the time when they read novels / books.. they love to imagine things]

- Sight
- Sound
- Smell
- Touch / Feel
- Taste

You can trigger them to visualize the story as it had happened, thereby bringing associative feelings by being descriptive on these 'aspects' of the story.

e.g. The 5 of us walked in and it was brightly lit place with neon lights all over the place. It was silent to begin with until we heard this sound on the floor "bam bam bam" and turned around. There was a sweet but eerie smell in the air that passed over as a cool breeze giving goosebumps but we felt this dryness in our mouth and our throat.

Another article on rapport....... Confident Rapport versus Insecure Rapport.

All you need is rapport: confident rapport.

So what’s the difference between insecure rapport and confident rapport?
It comes down to your inner beliefs.

Do you believe she's going to listen and like what you have to say about yourself. You should. In fact she should be hanging on every word you say because you believe she needs you.

If you have that inch of doubt, that means you believe she isn't ATTRACTED to you, and you need to build the attraction then. But what if you didn't have that doubt?

Girls can smell confidence, and they can definitely detect any insecurity. They will see the confidence you have in yourself when you are straight forward and you just assume they will like you. And they WILL respond positively. Remember an inch of doubt and you're dead in the water.

How a compliment can be a PUSH PULL i.e. Validation and Takeaway = Chase you

http://fastseduction.com/masf/24/236746/ - Commander Zap.

I forget which HB was with me. but I wasn't doing PU and I just said to this hotty, very honestly which makes it better (but if you can fake sincerity you've got it made), I said:

"I just want to tell you, you look so great dressed that way, it's fabulous, and the guy sitting next to you is a lucky man."

Smile, nod, EC, and bye/Thanks, shock, and DDB.

I don't think I kino-ed, this chick was on the way to the john. I suppose guy-next-to- her-being-lucky is subtle boyfriend destroyer.

[I dont know about this being a BF Destroyer.. well if I think about it.. YES. It says he's LUCKY.. not that he's good.. but he's just plain lucky to have gotten a BETTER DEAL.. i.e. He is Lucky and HB is NOT.. i.e. she got the shorter end of the stick]

Imagine a nice-looking girl saying the equivalent to you. You'd remember that, right? (Read the quote again.) If you didn't tell friends (or us) about it the next day, you'd be thinking about it. You'd remember the exchange, you'd remember HER.

It violates a little bit you-are-the-prize,
But remember the don't-compliment-her rule does have an exception:

- you can if you honestly just want to,
- and if you can confidently move from it in the very next moment and not look like you need reaction. [By saying a compliment you have given her a "feeling" and by walking away you have taken it away.. This will make her crave it.. and make her want to chase you]

Besides all you're saying is that her date is *not* the prize! Ha-ha!

Loverboy does his version of Push Pull with compliments here.. VERY VERY EFFECTIVE AND DETAILED in how he leans in and out and does verbal with physical push pull and kino.

Fuck it. I want to work on my nonverbal game (which is slowly improving and I'm
glad to see it get tighter!! In the past I could be making out with a girl and
not have touched her before that.. lol) I start increasing kino, started with
some slaps on her thighs, then her hands, then her arm. I put my hand around
her neck and pull her in towards me, and I'm running my hands on her legs. I
even start massaging her while talking absoultely BULLSHIT.

This seems to get her a little turned on, but I realized I need to activate
blueprint properly. I can see it halfway there because I was getting mixed
reactions. But i want to get this ON...

Here's what I did... I COMPLIMENTED her, took it away, and repeated the process
a few times. I mirrored my BL with the exact opposite (pull back sa I
compliment, lean in as I take it away) and I would kino ping her on the
shoulders. She's pushing back and forth now. Shit, this is working. I even
tell her that she is turning me on, and how I want to even have SEX with her
while leaning back, then I took it AWAY and said 'actually I don't know... we
might not be compatible' while I lean in. BAM. We're close up. She's
blushing. WTF??? This was how her blueprint activates. It's weird as fuck.
But I was glad I picked it up. This girl has a weird blueprint because she's
like at least a 9 here but I feel like she'd sleep with me simply for
validation if I play it right, and fuck, where is the ASD and shit?

She knew I was seducing her because she said she is seeing someone and said if
I am going to tell anyone about this especially Richie....

haha

Anyway she leads and reframes for me.

Her: 'Ok... go along with me... I'm a friend of yours, right?'
Loverboy: 'WTF? What are you talking about?'
Her: 'no no just go along with me here.'
Loverboy: 'ok... ' (WTF)
Her: 'Hey.. I'm a friend of yours... I think u're really sexy... I want to have
sex with you!'
Loverboy: 'Okay!' (Cool!!)
Her: 'But well it's just happening becasue we had a drink, right? We are
friends so we can't let anyone know, right?'
Loverboy: 'Okay!'
Her: 'Okay!' (she looks relieved)
Loverboy: 'Okay!'

A LR by simply pushing and pulling/

Another one:

For the next half hour, we basically talked about her BOYFRIEND. I know guys
would say to cut off the thread and ignore it completely. I used to do that.
But you let chics talk and tell them what a 100% perfect relationship they
have... and they'll find reasons to the contrary. They also eventually bring
up PROBLEMS and ISSUES which I can use it to my ADVANTAGE. The key however, is
to let them talk about it without affecting you.

My favorite part of the whole convo was testing out some high tech 'state
breaking' NLP shit:

HB: 'He's so sweet he's taking me to Italy for my birthday.'
I slap her on the hand.
HB: 'OUCH! What was that? You just hit my hand!! Why did you do that??' she
shouted, slightly shocked.
Me: 'Oh, I thought that was a mosquito on your hand…
HB: 'Oh...'
Me: 'But then we're in Scotland… we don't have mosquitoes here.. I wonder what
that was!'

I did this in a very very playful manner, but I definitely hit kinda hard. And
I think she kinda liked it.

This, ladies and gentlemen, I call pattern interruption. Something I'm still
experimenting with. This was enough to get her to drop that chain of thought
about her wonderful AFC BF taking her on holiday. I broke her state. I'm
sure there are better ways to interrupt than physically HITTING them… esp if
it's not their blueprint. LOL. I did the hair grabbing thing on a chic once
and she almost cried. But that's a different story. Anything to link any
pleasurable thoughts of her BF to pain effectively and quickly… except that she
seems to enjoy being dominated and rough.. so uggh I'm not sure. I'm rambling
here and going around in circles... plus this is all theoretical....

I start building deep comfort through vulnerability stories, and phase shift my
vocals. I gaze and slow down. I look at her sexually… I slow down my voice.
She's sat there looking at me all DDB. I start talking about kissing... I go
in for the kiss... I see her stiffen a little so I pull back... before she can
even object, I said to her first.... 'we shouldn't be doing this... what are
you doing to me...'

I go back into kissing her, push-pulling and rewarding...I tell her I just
couldn't resist those soft lips... how I'm sure they taste so sweet...yet I
don't know what she's doing to me... and how I'm trying so hard not to kiss
her... the tension was crazy. After a little while, I just take her by the
hand, and walk her out of the venue. Just as I do with every girl on my day2s
(even though I tongue most of them in the bar first). No words.

I also noticed a lot of Juggler like force commitment and SOI here..

IMP: Persistence is so key, that it begins to scare me

Spirit Fingers and Lunotick do a double LR on 2 korean virgins. Damn persistence.

But I am also wondering if this is because of the Asian 'closed' FOB now in great WHITE American Lover thing that works to the advantage of the White PUAs in Japan. (since I recently read that).

Either way, I love their persistence. I give up too easy.

topic: LR: Two Korean virgins (1 of 5), Read 452 times
board: >> Field Reports
from: Spirit Fingers superman88088@hotmail.com
http://fastseduction.com/masf/24/236250/

topic: LR: Two Korean virgins (2 of 5), Read 315 times
board: >> Field Reports
from: LuNoTiCK lunotick@yahoo.com
http://fastseduction.com/masf/24/236250/

One important NUGGET. Very important.

I learned a lot during this lay. One really really important thing is to be persistent, and confident in all situations. Keep your cool, don't freak out with any little situation. If you have a stronger frame than the girls, things will go your way. Be a little bit more dominant than them, but don’t be completely dominant. These girls were shy.

Equipment: Digital Voice Recorders for Sarge Analyses - Some options, reviews, discussions on mASF

After hearing SC's audio field reports and discussing with him how he used to record and listen to himself to fix things, I realized that this is an essential part of fixing your sticking points in the game. How are you going to figure out 'exactly' what and how if you can not clearly recall what happened? So I have concluded that recording your sarges are very important. The ultimate would be audio video recording where you record the audio while someone remotely records you and your sets on video to show the subtleities of body language etc.

Here is a thread on mASF about the possible set of Digital Voice Recording devices that some people have tried etc.

Voice recorder MP3 reference reviews (long) by Choumoux from the Paris Lair.

topic: Voice recorder MP3 reference reviews long (1 of 8), Read 463 times
board: >> Tactics / Techniques
from: Choumoux choumouxpua@yahoo.fr
(first login: July, 07, 2004 01:29 PM)
date: Saturday, June 04, 2005 06:27 PM

(Complete reference compiled for stuff (10+) posted on FS about DEVICES to record sarges... plus a few tricks here and there... please do not quote this entire fucking post if you give an answer... keep it readable, thanks.)

Hey, I want to record future sarges... I made an extensive search on this board and found good ideas that i've checked out. I put all the references here, it'll serve someone hopefully. I haven't found the answer to an existential question though:

can one get *reasonable" (=audible) quality using a MP3 USB KEY-type device???

I don't want to spend a fortune on a little fucker that could slip out of my pocket
or land in the toilets some night. 50euro to 70euro would be a good range of price.
But maybe a MP3 USB KEY records shitty sound...

I'd also like one that doesn't require a Phd in sound FX to get the file onmy pc and a rechargeable one would be very nice, please, Santa... Pleeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaze!!!!

Any advice (based on your personal experience, please)?
Any reaction on the stuff below (i.e. suggestions collected on FS)?

(nb: i won't buy a mini disc, i just put it here for reference. Anyone got stuff by Creative, like Muvo or that kinda stuff?)

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PDA

Dell Axim X3i (video but expensive 200euro) It's really good for audio recording, I haven't tried using it in clubs though, so I'm not sure how the quality would be.-----------------------------------------

minidisc recorder

(excellent sound quality but expensive - bulky - not convenient to use - mini cds get screwed often in my experience)

hi-md recorder (sony mz-nh1, can record 45 hrs of voice at 48k on 1 gig disk). expensive, however I use it for a lot of things
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Ipod

cheap Flash IPod (A.K. uses an ipod which can hold shit loads of audio on it)

Does that stuff only record ambient sound?
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PDA sony clie

video: quality reasonable, you can record very secretly and it runs with my 256mb card appx one hour

Sony digital recorders have a huge rep. But are so fucking expensive...Not an option i guess...
:o(
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Olympus VN-240PC

It's small to comfortably fit in a shirt pocket
Records up to 4 hours Long Play - a whole night out
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USB KEY

128mo to 1go - cheap - between 40 and 80 euro....BUT what about sound quality????
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Medion € 79.99 490 MB.
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I suggest you to buy 1GB or at least 510 MB. Cause when you place some good collection of MP3s you will have very little place for voice recording.

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Zire 72 PDA with a speaker on the back, with digital camera, recorder, video camera, and organizer all in one.

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Steviepua:

Ideally I am looking for something small, like a keystick, rechargeable batteries and with 256MB-1GB memory I bought a new mp3 player/recorder.
¤¤¤¤¤
It is a Creative MuVo 1GB. It is really small, has line in for direct mp3 encoding (a hidden mic can be used), built in mic, radio. I am really happy with it. The link below has a picture of it (mine is white though).

http://www.creative.com/products/product.asp?category=213&subcategory=215&product=10737

Here is the white version

Image Link
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I have an Iriver ifp-595t.
It's very small. The internal mic. is very sensitive. It even picks up conversation while it's in my jeans pocket. It has very good battery life(15hrs+) and can record for many many hours. The great thing is that it has Voice Auto Detection, and it can also smooth the peaks wich makes a HUGE difference. It records in MP3, but the files are named .REC, Easy to upload and rename to .MP3. I can highly recommend it, it's top quality in every aspect. Magnesium case, lot's of features/settings etc etc. Before this one I had a Ripflash DX but the Iriver is so much better. I can't believe Stevie PUA is still using a bulky Archos harddisk recorder :) Oh and bye the way, an MP3 player is normal to have with you. But what will people say when you carry a voicerecorder, or, even worse, you have spy microphones and mini-amplifiers taped to your body haha.
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Steviepua:
I don't use hidden mics or wires anymore since I figured out how to use the internal mic on the Archos properly. I now typically just have it inside a jacket chest pocket, or in a bag with a chest pocket. Yeah it is a little bulky compared to other mp3 recorders out there but the great thing about it is it has a 10GB memory.
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Steviepua:
The quality is good and the big memory means I can just switch on and forget about it. The downside is having to process and edit a long, long file though! That is the price of making long recordings. I suppose I could start a new file every time I use the bathroom. That would make it easier to process the files at home.
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I would highly recommend the IRiver brand devices.
comes with:
mp3 player
voice recorder
FM Radio tuner

Also, they changed some of the new models to not include a microphone input. The inner parts are the same, but they've started making them without the microphone jack. Both versions have a built in microphone which provides great recording quality.

I lost mine though and was strapped for cash, so I purchased a Circuit City no name house brand device with the same features as the above, only it didn't have a mic jack.

One thing I like about the IRiver brand recorders is that it lets you make alot of adjustments to your recording quality like bit rate, and other stuff, whereas this new one I bought from circuit city just gives you high, medium, and low settings. Both units, i hear, contain the same electronic guts, just different software.

Both units are small, and have a little loop so you can wear it around your neck. You can record far more amount of audio with these, and of better quality, than if you purchased a plain voice recorder for equivalent price.

Did I mention that the sound quality is great (better though, on the IRiver unit) Plus, it's an mp3 player, you can wear it on your neck and keep the headphones plugged in, tell chicks it's an mp3 player. Lot's of chicks will ask about it, makes good opener material. Just have that record feature on and go from there and record a day's worth of sarges.

Uploading is easy with the usb cable.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?id=1051806328372&skuId=5446975&type=product
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Carped Diem
27yo - PUA in training - KJ tendencies
Looking for wingmen. Parislair:
http://fr.groups.yahoo.com/group/parislair/join

Some extensive replies and reviews in response to his post.

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topic: Voice recorder MP3 reference reviews long (2 of 8), Read 299 times
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from: Ay
(first login: January, 12, 2005 04:17 AM)
date: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 03:09 AM

Funny you mention, I sell those USB key mp3 players on eBay and I was gonna use that one to record myself, but IMO most of them have interfaces where you have to look at the screen to set up voice recording. Like you have to navigate through menus and shit. I want to find one that'll record with a push of a single button.

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from: Choumoux choumouxpua@yahoo.fr
(first login: July, 07, 2004 01:29 PM)
date: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 10:00 AM

Ah, ok. Thanks for the info. I'll probably not buy a USB KEY type.

I've read reviews about the Creative MuVo recorder (cf Steviepua). A bit more expensive that what i wanted... but i guess it's the best compromise... So i'll probably buy one that's 512Mo...( the 1Go is tempting but i'm broke).

Dunno if the mike's built in, or/and if there's a line in (jack) for an external mike. I'm also worried about proprietary formats... I'd rather get the file directly as a .mp3 or .wav...


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topic: Voice recorder MP3 reference reviews long (4 of 8), Read 258 times
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from: stevie_pua stevie_pua@yahoo.co.uk
(first login: February, 21, 2002 09:08 AM)
date: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 07:13 PM

I am now using the Creative N200 Micro. It is small and records in .wav format (at a low bitrate). It has a 1GB memory, though 512k memories are available. I paid £109 for it (about $150). It has a built in mic. It is really small ... smaller than a matchbox. It also has line in for an external mic.

It comes with an arm band. This is of benefit to the PUA. With my earlier audio recorder (Archos Jukebox Recorder 10GB) I hid it from people. However, with the new small Creative recorder you can use the arm band and don't need to hide the machine. You just tell people it is your mp3 player/music player. They have no idea it is also recording them. There really is no need to hide it in most circumstances (unless, for example you are in a formal situation where wearing a mp3 player would be frowned upon). For most situations - street, shops, bars, even clubs it is acceptable, and even cool, to be seen with a machine this size. It may work to peacock you in some instances.

The quality of recording on the Creative is not as good as the Archos. The Archos was exceptionally good quality-wise, but you paid for this by the bulky size of the machine. The Creative's audio quality for recording voice via the inbuilt mic is FINE. The machine even comes with software to turn almost any media format into any other. You record in .wav and can turn it into .mp3, .wma and many other formats and bitrates quickly. Sometimes I process my audio in Soundforge to make it even better.

The Creative N200 is a good machine for recording PU, and I recommend it. Its advantages are a TINY size, BIG memory, innocuous and camaflaguing arm band. It can record for hours (even over a day, perhaps, on an empty 1GB memory - certainly enough to switch it on at the start of the night and turn off recording hours later).

Any questions, drop me a message here.


* * * * *

Underdogs come from behind
Assassins do it from behind
Bakers do it for the dough

* * * * *

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from: Choumoux choumouxpua@yahoo.fr
(first login: July, 07, 2004 01:29 PM)
date: Thursday, June 09, 2005 08:51 AM

On 6/8/05 7:13:00 PM, stevie_pua wrote:

Wow, thanks for all the details man. I appreciate that.
I'll opt for the MuVo 1Go or 512Mo indeed. I take your word that recording quality is fine.

*Sigh of relief*

(I have mixed feelings about MD recorders, as my bro had one, and discs would flinch one after the other and this message would appear: "UTOC error"). But i know the sound is excellent with MD... a compromise to make i guess.)

I'll post about it too, when i get to test it myself.

I think i can get a pack with a plastic (what's the name...holster?) with necklace thing to carry it, as that'd be a more secure/discrete way to wear the thing. Cause after checking the picture, i noticed no device to attach the necklace... Although clothing rubbing against it may be an issue... I don't like so much the idea of the arm band thing...

Good thing I didn't buy a USB key, based on the critics here!

Thanks for all the input guys. Too bad I'm in a hurry, we could have bought in bulk if others are interested...and brought the price down a bit...

(EDIT)>>
>I am now using the Creative N200 Micro.
>.wav format /£109/$150/130EUR
>It may work to peacock you in some instances.
>The Creative's audio quality for recording voice
>Sometimes I process my audio in Soundforge to make it>even better.
>The Creative N200 is a good machine for recording PU, and
>I recommend it. Its advantages are a TINY size, BIGmemory,
>innocuous and camaflaguing arm
>band.
>http://pua.zap.to
>>(EDIT)

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from: stevie_pua stevie_pua@yahoo.co.uk
(first login: February, 21, 2002 09:08 AM)
date: Thursday, June 09, 2005 12:20 PM

The recording quality if fine for outside, though if you are recording in a loud club, I think few recorders are much good. My Creative N200 came with a holster which can clip into a belt. Also, if you use the recorder without the holster and without the headphones attached, you can easily hide it in a shirt front pocket and no one will see it.

If the inbuilt mic quality is not good enough for you (e.g. if you want to have a higher bitrate) you can attach a mic to the line in socket and use an external mic (need to get a connecting adaptor for the mic to join with the cable that comes with the Creative, though). Then you can record at 96/128/160 bitrate.

I haven't tried many machines, so there are bound to be other machines as good or better ... just a matter of people testing them and recommending them.


* * * * *

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Assassins do it from behind
Bakers do it for the dough

* * * * *

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from: rp_5150 rp_5150@yahoo.com
(first login: May, 02, 2004 08:16 PM)
date: Thursday, June 09, 2005 01:09 AM

On 6/4/05 6:27:00 PM, Choumoux wrote:
>


The usb mini-recorders are CRAP, imho.
Some guys with these couldnt record good audio from
a business meeting in a conference room with me talking 10
feet away. I even put it in my shirt pocket, and it didnt
pick up my voice well. I cant imagine these being useful
in a sarge-environment at ALL (i.e. typical street, mall,
bar, or loud club).



However.


I use a Sony Hi-MD recorder with self made
microphones. It has auto-gain control.
I am able to clearly hear convo of my sets on a club
dance floor when I put it in a shirt pocket (LOUD music
but convo picked up fine - wow).
When I put it in my front pocket of my jeans, I can get
good audio in a typical bar (with jukebox playing).
When I carry it around in my hand (in a leather case) I
get great audio also - on street, in bar, etc.

The file I had on puamedia was recorded that way.
This was on the 64kpbs setting (allows about 40 hours of
recorded audio per disc). I was holding it in my hand.

The hi-md decks connect to PC via USB for upload/download
and can convert to mp3 on the PC later.


It is expensive but I use it for other purposes
too (business, school, and bootlegging live bands -
it can record in cd quality 44.1k PCM - fucking sweet.)
Plus the audio quality for listening to music is
killer so it makes a great walkman.


-- robert1



""""
toecutter: Beat that fear. Be a man. Beat your chest a little bit, because most
people are slave to their fears. You conquer yours. Most guys will conquer it
in context (like bungy jumping), but lets see those parachuting AFCs handling
walking into a club ALONE and SOBER and APPROACHING a girl they don't know. Or
worse ... a group of girls.
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from: Ay
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date: Friday, June 10, 2005 01:03 PM

One thing about USB key things is that they record straight to mp3. Actually they record WAV, but with mp3 bitrates, so it's the same size and quality, only different extension. I haven't tested any of them to record sarges, but I would imagine the quality has to be pretty low especially with an internal mic. Setting it up is a pain in the ass as well, unless you have the combo in which to press the buttons memorized.


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Hmm... now the question is which one(s) should I buy and try?

TT: Shrugging is Powerful - The use of a simple body movement into something very powerful - THE SHRUG

Dimitri talks about how "easy" and "powerful" a simple shrug can be. Just shrug it off. Whatever a female says can be easily, nicely, politely and powerfully be shrugged off.

http://www.bristollair.com/bestlayreports/youreacelebrityneatletsfuck/

At one point, she says something about it having been a while, I say that must be hard on a girl "like her", and she says, "Well, I've got my vibrator." I shrug.

**By the way, I shrug *a lot*.

Shrugging is your friend in pickup.

- Shrug when you get shit-tested,
- shrug when a woman says a statement that most guys would latch on to and get excited like talking about her vibrator or minor hooking up with another girl (if it seems like she's just trying to cock tease and it's not legit, anyway),
- shrug when she asks a stupid question,
-shrug... whenever you want.

Shrugging is powerful.**

BTW - Hats off for persistence on this LR after getting pushed out of her place and then going back to her late at night using a "tuck you in" excuse. He shrugs again.. and overcomes a whole bunch of shit tests.

She asks if I'm a virgin, I laugh at her.

She asks how old I am, I tell her. She asks for ID to prove it. I laugh at her.

She continues shit-testing me, *hard*.

"Your feet smell so bad."
"Your beard looks terrible. You need to cut it."
"You've got earrings. Why you have earrings?"
"You should wash your clothes more."

Stuff like that. Shrugged at the first two, ran some cocky/funny at the third, called her a retard playfully on the fourth.

The Ultimate Shit Test: The "Penis Size" Shit Test

Then there was, "You've got such a small nose... Chinese girls tell by nose size if a man has a big penis or not. You have small penis." She holds up her fingers about five inches apart.

I nod emphatically. "Very small. Two inches long". I hold up my fingers in a ridiculously short amount (credit: ijjji). She then qualifies me on my penis, "No, it must be bigger than that", then realizes that she just qualified me on my penis size and then cringes just a tiny bit. It's awesome and hilarious to observe, especially since I understand much of the reasoning behind it.

Some debriefing after the lay and he is still shrugging.... :). Props to Dimitri.

Anyway, some really good sex and crazy positions I'd never tried before later, she's cuddled up to me and we're both naked. We talk about some stuff, and I decide to ask a brief debriefing question.

Dimitri: When did you know you wanted to make love with me?
HBWhitestilettos: When you knocked on my door this night.
Dimitri: Not yesterday?
HBWhitestilettos: No, not even this afternoon.
Dimitri: Ah.
HBWhitestilettos: When did you know? I pause for a moment.
Dimitri: Hmm... about five seconds before we did it.
HBWhitestilettos looks taken aback for a moment (continue being the prize even after the lay, guys).
HBWhitestilettos: Not when you were giving me massage even? I shrug.

I ask her about her sex history a little in terms of if she always uses condoms, how long it's been since her last fuck, and if she gets tested. I implicitly social proof myself accidentally when she inquires why I'm asking, and I say, "I always ask."

TT: Transferring a chics "buying temperature" from someone who has been "gaming" her to yourself - VERY IMPORTANT at the end of the night

TD talks about how he can transfer 'buying temperature' from girls who are being gamed and almost being taken home from the PUAs/Naturals/Guys who have been gaming and raising her temperature all ths time.

It's an interesting dynamic that I would have never realized.

http://www.bristollair.com/outergame/techniques/tactics/stealinghornychicks/

FOLLOW THE SHINY THING GIRLS.. FOLLOW IT.. FOLLOW IT.. FOLLOW THE SHINY THING.. ITS GOING OVER HERE..
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For me, when I see its GAME ON with the tug of war, I have key tool's at my disposal:

1) Unlike 99% of natural players, I know that the key to the target is her peergroup. I befriend the obstacles and bring them ALL home together. I literally TELL DIRECTLY to the obstacles to pull her friends off the competing players, because I like and want to date her friend so that way we can all be a happy family.

2) I'm willing to sit in set and just chat the obstacles, while the players up the target's buying temperature for me, and I wait for the perfect time to make my move.[How can he afford to not have the target attracted to him? So, what is the perfect time and how does he calibrate on when and where to AMOG the guy out or wait for the right time to "game" the girl?]

3) Out-alpha tactics, posted in "Some AMOG tactics" post I did a while back.

4) Social proof and jealousy. Unlike most players, I can walk into adjacent sets and blow them up, right in front of the girl I want. [I can understand SP, What does he mean by 'jealousy?.. Whose jealousy is being used here ?]

5) Tell the obstacles that I'm gay, and worried about the target, and that I want to be her new gay best friend and take her shopping, and I want to save her from that guy. Then the friends push the girl on me and leave her alone with me, and the target has no idea what I've told the friends. In cases where the target hear's that I told the friends that I was gay, I just say either that I was joking, and then makeout and hookup with the target, or I say they're wrong, or they never said it.. Whatever.

6) I throw up the BIGGER SHINY THING.. I'll do a magic trick (I rarely use them, but I'll use them and make the competing guy player be the guy I do the trick on).. I have this one where I snatch a coin out of the guys' hand, that's not really magic that I learned at an MM Workshop. It's basic, but it works because you OWN the guy in front of the girl. I also just plow them with stories or bring over other girls and introduce them, and then tell the pawn-girls I brought over to chat the guy, and then take my girl back.

Again, notice that I NEVER give up. If I see a girl with her buying temperature up, I LOVE the challenge of competing against other players. You see this in Leceister Square in London at the end of EVERY Friday and Saturday night. The girls are walking around totally in state, and the player guys are coming up to them one by one until one of them pulls them. Crazy shit.

I really encourage you guys to have no fear of approaching even 1guy/1girl two sets, and taking the girls. You'd be surprised how often the two barely know eachother. Also, if you EVER and I mean *EVER* see natural players gaming up girls, never be afraid to go in and open ONLY the girls.

How do you know if its natural players? Hahaha, well, I hate to say this, but 9 times out of 10, if the girls look like they're having a good time (ie: they're giggly or touching the guy alot), then its a pickup, NOT a boyfriend with his longterm girlfriend. Why? Because girls aren't having fun if they're with their LTR. They usually only have fun with players. haaa, sad but true.

So if you see girls all giddy, then its probably a pickup, and you can easily swoop in and play a little tug of war with the other PUAs.

It's fun, and I often make friends with the other natural PUAs who I'm competing against. In fact some of my friends I've met in the field are players whose girls I've taken home right from them, earned their respect, and now we hang out.

I have a ton more to say on this topic also, which maybe I'll post someday or in addition to this. Tug of war is something I do all the time, and I encourage you guys to give it a shot because its WAY easier than it looks. It looks tough, but if you just use the principles you learn from ASF, you'll find its in fact very easy. Just ignore the social situation, and PLOW THEM FUCK OUT OF THE GIRLS WITH ROUTINES right in front of the guys. Easy shit, and great for ONS.

TT: Online Methods & Techniques

This is a 'modified style' technique used online by JetSetJim.

My Online Method (modified Style Online Method)
http://fastseduction.com/masf/16/234038/

topic: My Online Method (modified Style Online Method) (1 of 4), Read 464 times
board: >> Tactics / Techniques
from: jetsetjim jimchayvo@hotmail.com
(first login: January, 04, 2005 05:31 AM)
date: Thursday, June 23, 2005 11:53 AM

I have tried Styles online method pretty much as he posted it, with decent results, however I have come up with a profile that seems to work as well or better.

Some women (especially in E. Europe, where I am) are REALLY put off by the cocky/arrogant "I am a bad boy" attitude. I have tried to find a mix that appeals both to the women who are tired of arrogant assholes, as well as to the women who want the bad boy-caveman.

Keeping in mind that I am basically a 5 on the hotornot site (5'10/179, 280lbs/120), I have been able to set up 4 day1's out of about 30 replies, out of about 300 messages sent. That may not seem like a great success rate, but for me it is far better than any other online method I've tried.

Anyway...the profile I am using is basically David Shades answer to the question about What Women Want from Cliffs list:

"Ultimately what most women want is to be in an exciting relationship with a man that she is wildly crazy about.

There are four things that must be true in order for her to feel that.

First, she needs to feel appreciated for the unique individual that she is. She needs to feel special, unlike any other woman. And she needs to know that her man supports her in her endeavors.

Second, she needs to feel that deep intimate emotional connection. She needs to have that emotional intimacy with her man.

Third, she needs to feel like a woman. She needs to feel beautiful, sexy, and feminine. She needs to enjoy all those things that come with being a woman, and those things come to light when she's with an exciting man.

And finally, she needs hot passionate sex. She needs to be seduced, enticed, teased, and satisfied, over and over again. She needs to experience new things, in new ways, including fantasies and roles. It makes her feel alive.

And these four things can only be true for her when she is with a man that she can trust, and most importantly, that she has respect for. Respect is utmost."

I like this because it lets them know that if they meet me, they are going to get fucked, and fucked good.

The message I send (I rarely get a message from a woman) is as follows:
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Subject: It's me, the next big thing in your life

So there is a cowboy sitting in a bar having a drink..... A woman comes in, sits down next to him and say, "Hi. Tell me, are you a REAL cowboy?"

The cowboy thinks about it for a minute, then says "Well, I have a lot of cows, I live on a big ranch, I ride a horse..... "Yeah, I guess I am a real cowboy."

The woman says, "Well, I'm a lesbian. I love women, I am constantly thinking about them, about their skin, their hair, their bodies. I am obsessed with women."

After a while she leaves and another guy comes in and sits down next to the cowboy. He says, "So, tell me, are you a REAL cowboy?" The cowboy thinks about it for a minute.... ... then says, "Well...I thought I was...but now I think I'm a lesbian."


.......Made you laugh, didn't I? Well, maybe I'd be interested in you. Send me your phone number and lets chat.

Ciao!
Jim
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I used to write "send me three things about yourself I might like."
The problem with this was it beat around the bush too much. There are a million women out there who will banter back and forth with you online, wasting your time, asking stupid fucking questions and trying to qualify you...and they will NEVER give your their digits.

The vast majority of women like the joke. Usual comment is "most men are lesbians!" and "I think I'm a gay guy!" and unless they are the type mentioned above who are never going to meet someone, they pony up the digits. I think the reason this works, is because (this from the many women I have asked) the VAST majority of messages they get are SOOOO lame. They are either incredibly boring. "Hi I am x'xx tall xxx weight, lets meet." or "You are SOOO beautiful. I am SOOO rich. Lets meet" or they are wannafuck messages.

Style points out that the phone game is key. I agree. I wait between 24 and 48 hours and give them a call. Some C&F and set up the day1.

From there on out, it's all about your game. I have not had much luck f-closing, and then I went back and reread Styles original post. I think I was working too hard to be interesting, whereas Style advocates keeping your distance and gradually let her feel she is winning you over, along with some push-pull tactics. This is the weakest part of my game. I was trying to win her over...when it should be the other way around.

Since I started using the direct "send me your number and lets chat" I snagged an 18 year old (I'm 33) HB8+ who called me back the day after we initially spoke. I used to avoid the 18-20 crowd, but now...if it's legal, it's fair game.

Jim

Styles Original Online Method is posted here.

Date Posted: 2002/05/29 07:09:00 AM EDT
Author: Style
Subject: Online Personals Photo Idea/Question

Never experimented with online sarging and personals, really, and
trying it now. Here's the question:

1. Send HB a picture of myself alone.
2. Send HB a picture of me with other HBs, and say it's the only photo
I have scanned.

Has anyone tried option 2? Logically, it seems like a good idea
because:
A. It's social proof and
B. It shows you're not the typical online loser who can't handle
himself around women.

For what it's worth, in my letters, I'm mixing the standard SS letter
with my own version of cocky/funny challenging ("You sound like you
may be more than just another pretty face. I need someone sharp-witted
too, who likes a little verbal sparring, because I'm a total
smart-ass. Grew up with too many girls in the house.")

CPowles
Any thoughts appreciated. This is a new world to me.

****************************************************

Date Posted: 2002/05/31 05:54:00 AM EDT
Author: Style
Subject: Re: Online Personals Photo Idea/Question

All great advice: Thanks!

For the record, I ended up combining a bunch of ideas here. I took a
photo of myself in a group. I cropped the rest of the group, so you
can see mostly just me, but you can tell that there are other HBs in
the image. This way, it looks like a fun, party shot--not like I just
cropped out an ex-girlfriend and am looking for a replacement. It
gives me social proof, without raising questions about "who's that in
the picture with you?"

Then, I took Tzeen's advice and turned it b-and-w and added some
shadows. It looks very cool. So far, it's worked on both of the HBs
who've emailed me. (One seems quite hot in a Lisa Loeb way; the other
may be a fattie, not sure.) Curious to see how this whole online
personals thing pans out. I'll post FRs. BTW, for my profile, instead
of doing the usual SS stuff, I just posted a bunch of funny stories
that I like to tell when sarging. It's gotten a great response.

CPowles

Jay's (Formhandles) e-mail Rules

Formhandle (Jay) is the webmaster of Fast Seduction 101, the largest, highest-trafficked, and most popular pick-up and seduction site on the web.

This article is based loosely on a mASF post by Formhandle, in regards to the topic of e-mailing chicks. Acronyms used in this article can be looked up on the acronyms page.

Some of this stuff got passed around in e-mail with my buddies, they're the rules I've gradually built up when e-mailing chicks, either initially or in responses to them. Whenever in doubt of how to proceed via e-mail with a chick, refer to these rules. Keep in mind, though, that you ultimately want to focus on using the phone when communicating with a chick, limiting e-mail contact, and only use e-mail/phone if it progresses you to your ultimate goal (a lay ... if that's not what you're looking for, you're reading the wrong web site, LOL). Even after achieving your goal, don't lax on these rules. This advice isn't for guys who are already good at handling chicks through e-mail, applying their own methods, it's for guys who need a guiding hand...

Pre-rules (with some clarifications on contact closing in general):

1. Focus on g closing ("girl closing") before ever focusing on getting a chick's number or her e-mail address. The priority of close goals on first meeting should begin with an f close. Next is g close. Then a contact close. And, don't bother with contact closing unless you've properly g closed.

2. If you don't manage to get a same-day f close after first meeting a chick, and have to default to getting a chick's contact information for a future follow up, @close at the very least. If you want her number, start by @closing and then finish up by #closing. If she's reluctant to provide her number, then you haven't properly g closed. You're left with a choice of either reverting back to building up her interest or (better) challenge her in some way that displays your strong belief in your self value (for example, giving her back the piece of paper with the address on it and saying "Sorry, I'm not into playing games and am not going to e-mail you if that's the case. Otherwise, if you're really interested in having me get in touch with you later, then it's OK to go ahead and write your number down.") If you get her number first, still get her e-mail address, if she has one.

3. If a chick gives you a number or e-mail pretty easily, yet you're not sure yet of whether you've properly g closed, you can attempt this test which I sort of picked up from David DeAngelo: Look at her semi-suspiciously, but with a knowing smirk and, with a teasing tone, ask her (while handing her the piece of paper back, or before entering the # into your cell phone), "Is this a number you actually answer?" If she challenges why you're asking, finish handing her the paper back and tell her (in your own words) that you're not interested in wasintg your time calling a number that only has an answering machine attatched to it. Be VERY consistent with these words and be completely willing to walk away. If you pull this off right, only 3 situations will play out. She'll either insist the number is good and hand you the paper back or finish giving you the number, or she'll admit that it's her cell's voice mail which she never picks up (or whatever) and proceed to give you another number, or she'll bitch you out or some other shit because the reality is she was giving you a bogus number (but won't admit it). In the last case, you've saved yourself the hassle of getting in contact with her later.

4. This one I got from TokyoPUA. If a chick gives you her number, call it right in front of her after you enter it in your cell. Joke with her about it, that you want her to leave a message for herself (or whatever else is funny at the moment). If she's given you a bad number, you'll know right away, and can bust her in real-time. Otherwise, it's a great anchor for later as she'll get to hear her happy voice (and maybe also your voice) on her machine at the time she was talking to you. This is optional, but if you're a guy who constantly gets bad numbers then try it out a few times.

5. The point of having both e-mail and phone number when contact closing is, in a follow-up, you'll want to e-mail her first (within a day) and reply to her once or twice before calling, as that improves your results when making the first call. If all you get is an e-mail address (because you didn't attempt a number close, not because she refused her number) then you'll only want to e-mail her a couple times before getting her number. Don't ask for it on the first e-mail, but don't wait until your third mail to get it. Finally, if you've finished contact closing her but aren't certain of whether you've properly g closed, go for a kiss close before separating. Always aim for at least a pleasant kiss on the lips. If she goes for it, you've properly g closed and you can always decide to pull back and say "Hey, I was just thinking... I didn't have solid plans for the next couple hours, let's take a walk and get to know each other better." If she turns to give you her cheek, that's OK as that's still a stronger close than leaving with a handshake. Take it as a good sign, as she'll see your kiss as gentlemently and charming. Of course, it all depends on the context; sometimes a kiss close isn't congruent with the way you've PU'd her.

The main rules:

1. Short is better. The shorter the better, but not unless you have a really great way of structuring something to say, like a story or engaging bit of something. Just keep in mind what it was that turned her interest on in your first meeting of her - don't spend time talking about stuff that doesn't capture her attention in the most efficient way possible. Trim the fat. Then trim it some more. Some of the best first e-mails are only 2 sentences long.

2. The most important/key concept and/or question you want to have the chick focus on should come LAST, right before you sign off. NEVER put more than 1 main question in an e-mail to her unless it's absolutely necessary. And in that case, group the questions together. If you find yourself writing up 3 or more questions to her, you're making the e-mail too long (and confusing! yes, confusing) and will likely not get them all answered anyway, if at all (don't confuse her with all kinds of questions). Just ask yourself "Which is more important - bagging this chick, or getting her to answer this question?" If bagging her depends on her answering more than 2 quetions in your first e-mail, then you haven't properly g closed her and will need to split up your first e-mail into 2 smaller e-mails, the second of which is only sent in response to her reply, if necessary. The point in an initial e-mail is getting her to: remember the rapport you had with her, pique her curiosity, and get her to reply, nothing else.

3. The beginning of the greeting to the e-mail should be consistent with the way the chick tends to greet, but not word-for-word. This rule, of course, only applies once you've seen how she handles e-mail.

4. Never, ever ever, never, ever ever use "quoting" style (you know, with the angle > brackets) that us guys like to use when responding. It's like a flow of logic and chicks can't follow it. Even in work environments, chicks don't prefer to follow quote-style responses. The only reason they even bother with it in work environments is because, well, it's their job. Just quote her previous e-mail at the very bottom, if at all, and type your message to her at the top.

5. Spell-check. Write legibly and with good grammar. No short-hand unless it's necessary. Sometimes it's OK (like, using BTW or OK or "&" instead of "and"), but it really depends on the context. Remember, e-mail is not chat. Make it legible. Pretend she's an Internet/e-mail novice, even if she isn't.

6. 1 or maybe 2 smilies in the e-mail. If you can get a funny concept or sentence across as funny without a smiley, use that. Only use a smiley in the "cutest" part of your message, and never get too cute. The cutest you should get is to comment about her in a funny way or taunt her. Yes, taunt her.

7. Don't talk about yourself in your initial e-mails. Don't CLAIM anything about yourself that you can't prove through action - and, if you can prove it through action, then display the trait, if possible, through your words. But don't even do that if you can't do it efficiently - in a few words or a sentence. The point of such a display is to provide chaacter cues that will help heighten her interest of you.

8. Spend 50% of your time coming up with a good subject line, but nothing too hokey.

9. E-mail timing - figure out how long it takes the chick to initially respond and don't get too anxious to e-mail her at a much faster pace than she does. Slightly faster is fine, as long as it's gradual. If she takes 3 days to reply to you, take 2.5-3 days to reply back. If she replies back immediately, but not with a tone that makes you believe she's ready to be laid ASAP, take your time replying back - up to 2 days. YOU set the timing, she doesn't. If she doesn't reply back after 7 full days, send 1 more e-mail but make it VERY SHORT and simply challenge her directly (yet in a funny way), think of it as her "last chance", but don't actually use those words - just indicate it through cues and a subtle challenge.

10. Unless they are on vacation or away from their "home base" for some other reason, chicks tend to check their e-mail either at certain times of day almost every day or certain days of the week or both. Within the first couple e-mails, you'll be able to make a good guess as to when to optimally reach her based on the timing you're interested in. This is more important for local chicks than distant ones, and sometimes can overrule the whole waiting to reply aspect. For distant chicks (ones you are not likely to be near for a while, anywhere from 2 weeks to a few months), don't jump to phone right away and stick to e-mails - and pace the timing of those e-mails so that the communication regularity doesn't escalate too fast before you get a chance to actually be in front fo the chick.

11. If the chick uses either Hotmail or Yahoo, she's not likely to respond within the first 24-48 hours of an initial e-mail. If at all. Just accept this and don't get anxious. Go by the 1-week rule and, after that, drop her if she doesn't reply to that.

12. If an e-mail to Yahoo or Hotmail bounces, try again 2 days later (not 2 hours later). Some chicks don't check their e-mail often enough to avoid having their max inbox space filled up with spam, which causes mail to bounce. The free version of Yahoo mail has something like a 6MB limit, and Hotmail is something like 2MB.

There are other minor sub-rules, which you will learn pick up easily through practice, but if the above main rules are followed, responsiveness from chicks via e-mail gets MUCH better.

TT: Escalation of Kino - How to go about escalating the Kino?

Here are some examples of how to go about escalating the kino.

from: Magnus magnus@bristollair.com
(first login: September, 06, 2004 12:05 AM)
date: Thursday, June 30, 2005 11:26 AM

>How can you escalate while
>walking around? I mean other
>than
>taking her hand or putting my
>arm around her waist.

Hand in the small of her back to cross the road.

Race her up the escalators... alright, that's not kino, but it gets her out of breath.

Link arms, British promenade style.

Grab her hand for no reason and make her run with you.

Hold hands and swing ridiculously high.

Push/pull her, literally.

Tickle her stomach and waist.

Point out another couple and how uncomfortable they look, then demonstrate better ways to walk as a couple; holding hands; but say that's not close enough together. her arm round your waist, yours around her shoulders; but say that's uncomfortable. Then wrench her neck down under your armpit, and tell her that's perfectly comfortable for you.

Then like, you know, kiss her.

Magnus

Another Kino centric post.

from: rp_5150 rp_5150@yahoo.com
(first login: May, 02, 2004 08:16 PM)
date: Saturday, June 25, 2005 12:04 AM

On 6/23/05 6:46:00 PM, nedjimbo wrote:
>
>And somehow I need to get more
>kino skills. But how in the
>hell do you practice them
>without getting a lot of slaps
>and weird looks? I mean you
>have to get SOME experience
>before YOU become completely
>comfy with the idea of
>touching a woman.

If you had to have SOME experience before doing anything,
then how would people ever learn?

Try these small steps.

1. cheesy kino, aka: "you've got some lint on your shirt" (pick/brush it off)

2. bump them with your elbow / shoulder (doing the nod with
"sup?" is optional). In fact many guys here will run
straight into girls & knock them 5 feet back (guess what
they always giggle).

3. Say "Hey, what's that?" and touch her earrings, jewlery,
rings, etc.

4. guerilla kino; use your exposed body parts (other
than hands) to touch her exposed body parts. fore-arm
to fore-arm, leg to leg, etc.

5. say "COME HERE" in a commanding voice & when she does,
do one of the above.

6. act like she's your little cousin & tackle her

7. hold out your hand, palm up. She will put hers
on top. E - Z.

-> in all of the above, never look where your hands are
going, if anything, look her in the eye.

-> never hesitate


-- robert1